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To not understand why so many Americans are more scared of Muslims than slaughter from their own people?

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Destinysdaughter Fri 18-Dec-15 19:23:23

I find the amount of support Trump has had both bewildering and frightening. There's been 355 mass shootings in the US this year. However the one that seems to have galvanised people is the one done by the Muslim couple ( the motives of which are still unclear ). There is less call to ban guns than there are to ban Muslims. I guess Trump is just tapping into a vein of fear from people who feel threatened by how things are changing but I just don't get it!

ghostyslovesheep Fri 18-Dec-15 19:34:09

slightly sweeping statement! plenty of Americans don't support Trump and do support gun control

Namechangenell Fri 18-Dec-15 19:35:09

I live in the USA. You can't generalise about a population 5 times the size of the UK. It's a hugely diverse country... None of my friends here support Trump. They know he's an international laughing stock. Similarly, they don't support right to carry and many attended the anti gun marches last weekend.

CarcerDun Fri 18-Dec-15 19:41:41

In OP's defence she did say 'many' not 'all'.

OP I think there are sheltered stupid people in all countries, America is maybe louder internationally. We have plenty of fuckwits in the UK.

RudeElf Fri 18-Dec-15 19:45:29

Erm, plenty of americans are muslim! Plenty of muslims are their own people!

Tamponlady Fri 18-Dec-15 19:51:35

The fact they are about to make trump there candidate and possibly the leader of the free world tells you all you need to about there mental state

MissFitt68 Fri 18-Dec-15 20:01:35

Well they can't exactly rid the fear when they have 9/11 in their history books!

Destinysdaughter Fri 18-Dec-15 20:02:24

I know a lot of Americans don't support him but I'm worried about those that do. I read this article the other day and I found it very worrying.

www.newstatesman.com/culture/observations/2015/12/there-s-nothing-funny-about-donald-trump-rally

cariadlet Fri 18-Dec-15 20:14:36

I know that the US is huge and diverse, but there are enough gun-toting reactionaries to give the country a bad name. When you get a story like this - schools closed because parents were angry about a lesson that included Islamic calligraphy - satire seems redundant.

Werksallhourz Fri 18-Dec-15 21:05:35

Because mass shootings in the US are "known knowns". Acts of terrorism inspired by theocratic fervour from a fairly minority religion in the US are "known unknowns".

The US has clear narratives and generally understood contexts for mass shootings and Ruby Ridge-inspired acts of domestic terrorism (Sorry, I can't think of a better way to put it). It doesn't have narratives and generally understood contexts for terrorist acts committed by Muslims in the name of the Islamic religion.

That's the difference.

scatteroflight Fri 18-Dec-15 22:02:44

The best thing for the security, economy and social fabric of western nations is more Islam. I'm assuming you agree OP?

cardibach Fri 18-Dec-15 22:06:20

What are you talking about, scatter?
There is some ground between thinking 'more Islam' (what even is that?) is the answer and thinking some people fear Islam way too much in view of the actual, you know, facts.

Piratespoo Fri 18-Dec-15 22:20:20

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Puffpastry1 Fri 18-Dec-15 22:24:02

Don't you like Americans then OP, that's rather racist of you.

fakenamefornow Fri 18-Dec-15 22:29:32

I did think at the time that one good thing might possibly come out of that, gun control. I know it's unlikely though. I remember a friend saying years ago that the only way the US would bring in stiff gun control laws would be if large numbers of young black men started joining the NRA.

GloriaSmellens Fri 18-Dec-15 22:31:38

Are people not reading the thread title? Why are so many Americans......

YANBU - the arguments of the anti-muslim, pro-gun lot are so illogical that they make my toes curl.

Puffpastry1 Fri 18-Dec-15 22:37:30

Maybe 5/11 has something to do with it? Maybe because terrorists tend to go for mass destruction?

Puffpastry1 Fri 18-Dec-15 22:39:22

Maybe because most terrorists seem to be muslim?

DioneTheDiabolist Fri 18-Dec-15 22:46:10

I think it's a combination of Terrorists, who want to scare the bejessus out of everyone and Power Hungry Arseholes who exploit fear for their own ends.

Resulting in a win for Terrorists and a win for Power Hungry Fuckwits.

It is not just a 21st century American problem. It can be seen throughout history and across the world.fsad

knobblyknee Fri 18-Dec-15 22:46:27

After the screw up on Fox 'entertainment' I'm nervous as well. The claims made were ludicrous - that parts of Europe were now no go areas with Sharia law - but Americans believed them.
America seems to be becoming more extreme and hard line. Thats always a worry.

GiddyOnZackHunt Fri 18-Dec-15 22:49:06

People are shit at assessing risk.
There's a right wing agenda to a lot of the media. They like the right to bear arms.

Puffpastry1 Fri 18-Dec-15 22:51:46

England has been too soft so has most of Europe.

scatteroflight Fri 18-Dec-15 22:55:39

X kills far more people than Y. So therefore we should be encouraging more of Y. Furthermore anyone who fears more of Y should be vilified. After all it's not nearly as bad as X.

Canyouforgiveher Fri 18-Dec-15 22:58:06

people don't understand the primary system in the presidential election. Look it up and see what previous candidates were likely to get the nomination at this stage of the process and you'll see a rogues galley of the unelectable.

Pico2 Fri 18-Dec-15 22:58:45

Isn't it like being scared of dying in a plane crash but feeling fine about driving about in a car? Terror acts get more publicity, like plane crashes. Car crashes are reported locally, but not nationally. I assume the same goes for murder using guns in the US. Obviously the bigger mass shootings are national and international news, but, with 100,000 deaths from shootings a year (from Piratepoo above), most shootings are local news only.

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