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Lee Rigby murder: Michael Adebolajo suing over teeth lost in prison

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ReallyTired Thu 10-Dec-15 09:25:16

I hope that any compensation awarded is given to Lee Rigby's family.

Michael Adebolajo should not see a penny.

Hihohoho1 Thu 10-Dec-15 09:28:12

Odious bastard.

Any 'compensation' should be given to help for heroes.

Hope he dies a painful death.

No apologies for that.

knickernicker Thu 10-Dec-15 09:31:04

He has a right to. Tho why you'd exercise that right when you felt fine taking away someone else's right to life I don't know.

PaulAnkaTheDog Thu 10-Dec-15 09:39:28

The officers were suspended from work, but were later told they had no case to answer.

So basically he will be told to get to fuck. Disgusting, murdering parasite.

lorelei9 Thu 10-Dec-15 09:47:04

this is a classic case for capital punishment

I often find that people cite the stupid cases for why we shouldn't have it - but they are defined by how stupid they were e.g. Derek Bentley.

These guys hacked off someone's head in broad daylight, in front of witnesses, there is video footage isn't there? So why are we spending time and money keeping them alive? They will continue to amuse themselves doing this and I fear they won't stay in prison for life either.

InternationalHouseofToast Thu 10-Dec-15 09:54:33

If I remember correctly he was still on remand when this happened, and hadn't been convicted.

I know that in his case there was video footage etc but people are innocent until proven guilty in a court and we do have to investigate if innocent people on remand are getting their teeth smashed out.

PinkSparklyPussyCat Thu 10-Dec-15 10:06:09

Shame it was only his teeth. I agree lorelei9. I'm usually against the death penalty but in this case I'd make an exception.

JCDenton Thu 10-Dec-15 10:07:56

The reason we don't have a death penalty specially for when it's super, super obvious they did it is that in less clear cut cases where you don't have footage or DNA or whatever, the jury wouldn't give a capital verdict, it leaves open the argument of 'if you aren't sure enough to sentence them to death, how can you sentence them anything?'.

PaulAnkaTheDog Thu 10-Dec-15 10:07:57

International an investigation took place and there was no evidence of misconduct by the officers.

AuntieStella Thu 10-Dec-15 10:08:48

Prison officers are not allowed to beat up prisoners, no matter how heinous the crime that landed them in prison.

It is right that if a prisoner alleges undue force, it be investigated. That they found the prison officers had no case answer is to me, answer enough.

BishopBrennansArse Thu 10-Dec-15 10:12:05

I'm not clear on what you're saying there, lorelei, are you referring to Derek Bentley - a man who had LDs - as stupid?

That case was murky to say the least. Other convictions such as the Guildford 4 have been overturned. Barry George.

Too much margin for error for Capital Punishment.

I do however hope this man is told exactly where to go, and if not and an award is made as a point of law that the Rigby family get to say where the money goes. If Adebolajo is awarded you'd have to wonder if that money would go towards funding terrorism.

lorelei9 Thu 10-Dec-15 10:20:34

JCDenton - sorry, could you expand on that, I may be being silly but I couldn't quite get the gist of what you are saying there.

Bishop - no, I am not at all referring to Derek Bentley as stupid. I said that people were using "stupid" cases as examples. It defies belief that Derek Bentley was sentenced to death, in my humble opinion.

I still remember the day I found out about the case, I was a teenager and I was wandering around for about a week after that going "WTF?" in my head. I just couldn't fathom how that happened. I kept reading up on it - not easy in internet days - because the WTF factor was so high, I was convinced my teachers were giving me wrong info!

those murky cases aren't comparable to the Lee Rigby murder. The killers stood there explaining to the press what they had done and "why" they had done it. Argh.

ReallyTired Thu 10-Dec-15 10:21:15

I don't think that Michael Adebolajo should suffer the death penalty, nor should he have teeth knocked out. His punishment should be the deprivation of liberty.

Maybe he is due compensation if a restraint went wrong. Restraint always carries a risk, but the prisoner has often behaved appallingly to have justified restraint. (At that particular moment, nothing to do with th crime they have committed.) The circumstances that led to the restraint need to be considered when awarding compensation.

Lee Rigby's family should be compensated and any money that Michael Adebolajo has or is given should be given to th family of his victim.

PausingFlatly Thu 10-Dec-15 10:27:04

I thought the Rigby killers wanted martyrdom? That's why they stood around waiting for the police, and then attacked them..

It was a great call by the policewoman that she shot to apprehend not kill.

Offering the killers a route like the death penalty, with attendant drama and publicity, would be right up their street. Tedious years in jail with all the lovely neighbours, not so much.

lorelei9 Thu 10-Dec-15 10:28:48

Pausing - agree in principle but then things like this will arise every so often.

originalmavis Thu 10-Dec-15 10:31:56

Some lawyer is getting a fat fee from the tax payers pocket.

SouthWesterlyWinds Thu 10-Dec-15 10:33:34

Let's hope it's a no win no fee lawyer then

Drew64 Thu 10-Dec-15 10:33:46

A non story I fear...I would imagine his case would not even get heard. Just the press winding us all up.

Both of Lee Rigbys murderers are cnuts btw!

ReallyTired Thu 10-Dec-15 10:38:05

If we had the death penalty then we would be as bad as the killers. When the uk made th decision to scrap the death penalty it was accepted that no criminal however heinous deserved to be put to death by the state. Michael Adebolajo maybe a very different person in 40 years time.

No one should have teeth knocked out. It may well be the case that Michael Adebolajo is owed compensation. However I don't want him to see a penny,

PinkSparklyPussyCat Thu 10-Dec-15 10:38:58

Good point Pausing. I can't remember if he got a whole life tariff but his (and the other killer's) entire time in jail should be hell - no privileges, basic food, solitary confinement. The only time he should get out is when he's carried out in a coffin.

ilovesooty Thu 10-Dec-15 10:43:16

He has a whole life tariff. I think his co accused got 45 years as a minimum.

ReallyTired Thu 10-Dec-15 10:48:20

Prison should not be hell. It shouldn't be a holiday camp either. Criminals should be treated as human, even whole lifers. It's important for the prison service to set an example to non life prisoners for rehabilation purposes.

laughingatweather Thu 10-Dec-15 10:51:50

I agree this is a non - story and his claim probably won't go anywhere.

However, I don't think we should ever have a criminal justice system where people in custody can be injured in any circumstances and that is ignored.

No matter what the individual has done.

Dipankrispaneven Thu 10-Dec-15 10:53:12

The punishment for a crime is going to prison, not having your teeth knocked out. When you are on remand and haven't been convicted, you are there solely because you do not satisfy bail conditions and there is all the more reason to keep you safe. If we go round saying it's fine for this sort of incident to happen in prison and not be investigated, it's the start of a very slippery slope.

I don't understand why people are getting so steamed up anyway. The reason that people in prison rarely have to pay compensation to their victims is that they have no money so it's pointless suing them. If Adebolajo gets money, Rigby's relatives can take steps to sue him and freeze the money till the claim is sorted out. Total win-win situation.

Dipankrispaneven Thu 10-Dec-15 10:54:16

Some lawyer is getting a fat fee from the tax payers pocket.

Not so. Check the pittance that legal aid lawyers earn.

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