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To wonder what being over 40 has got to do with it?

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dratsea Thu 03-Dec-15 23:58:43

"We also note that at the time of (ds’s) birth, (dw) was over the age of 40. Where the mother is over the age of 40 at the time of the child's birth, it is departmental policy to request medical evidence of the birth.

Medical evidence may include, but is not limited to: doctor's letters, sonograms, discharge papers etc.

You may scan and email this to me.

Yours sincerely

K*** C**

Determinations Officer
for Secretary for Internal Affairs"

(In NZ)

TheSpottedZebra Fri 04-Dec-15 00:00:01

Huh? Who wants that info and why?

EatShitDerek Fri 04-Dec-15 00:00:18

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheHouseOnTheLane Fri 04-Dec-15 00:00:43

Sounds like bull to me. And it sounds very discriminatory re age! Ageist.

Many women over 40 give birth these days!

GiddyOnZackHunt Fri 04-Dec-15 00:01:03

What? Is this for immigration or something? It sounds very odd!

ouryve Fri 04-Dec-15 00:02:24

Clearly 40 is considered old lady time by whoever it is :/

(46 and wishing old lady time would hurry up)

GiddyOnZackHunt Fri 04-Dec-15 00:04:54

Derek it defaults to high risk but doesn't have to remain so. It sounds like an immigration thing assuming that a percentage of over 40s might illegally adopt a baby from overseas because they're more likely to have trouble conceiving and be better off to afford surrogacy or private adoption.

cleaty Fri 04-Dec-15 00:05:01

Is this historical? Before single parents were common, it wasn't that unusual for grandparents to pass off a grandchild from an unmarried daughter, as their own child.

gobbynorthernbird Fri 04-Dec-15 00:06:23

What is the context?

Headmelt Fri 04-Dec-15 00:13:03

They want proof your dwebsite is your ds'a biological mother. Over 35 years is medically classed as "older" in maternity/obs&gynae when having children.

Headmelt Fri 04-Dec-15 00:13:44

Dw not dwebsite!

SummerNights1986 Fri 04-Dec-15 00:15:44

So google tells me that NZ determination officers deal with immigration.

Are you moving to NZ op? I can see no reason why medical evidence of a birth is required over 40 - given birth post age 40 is fairly common now.

A birth certificate of the child would show who the parents are anyway - if they're concerned about some kind of bc fraud then they should be asking everyone for medical evidence of birth, not just those over 40.

No idea...very strange!

Headmelt Fri 04-Dec-15 00:27:56

If your dw and dc have access to free medical care in nz, they could be sussing out their current health requirements.

Booyaka Fri 04-Dec-15 00:38:03

I think she means just to register the birth, looking at what that office is responsible for. That's pretty bad.

AnyoneButSanta Fri 04-Dec-15 00:44:04

Bear in mind the time difference. If it's 2015 in the UK it's still 1975 in New Zealand and giving birth in your 40s is very bizarre..

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Fri 04-Dec-15 00:49:23

AnyoneButSanta grin

dratsea Fri 04-Dec-15 01:02:16

Yes, application for citizenship by descent and a passport. Both Auz and NZ are expensive to visit on a working visa. In a couple of years I expect ds will want to do a bit of travelling, perhaps a gap year and with a black passport he could, for example, do a winter season in Queenstown and fund himself working in a bar.

Headmelt "proof dw is mother of ds" Well that is what it says on his birth certificate, which they have. Not sure about medical care, I still have to pay but it was slightly cheaper once I got a Kiwi passport.

Summer dw is spitting mad, demands I reply in no uncertain terms and point out to the department of internal affairs that her age at time of birth has nothing to do with the price of fish. tbh I thought MN a good place to find a suitably withering reply. fgrin

dratsea Fri 04-Dec-15 01:19:12

AnyoneButSanta Too true, that is why my parents took me back to UK as soon as I could crawl but it is getting better. My mum used to tell me all sorts of tales of deprivation, and they were in Wellington, but it was just after the war, rationing still in place in UK and they were young and idealistic. Here at the moment, still outnumbered 10 to 1 by sheep but in the bigger hamlets towns the shops stay open at midday, not all close early on a Wednesday and they even have some supermarkets that open on a Sunday! Just don't expect to get your hair cut on a Saturday!

Headmelt Fri 04-Dec-15 02:08:45

We were looking at moving to Australia a few years ago and the criteria and restrictions were very strict, didn't go after all. It will be a great advantage to your ds to have dual citizenship. Could you ask why the information is required?

nooka Fri 04-Dec-15 02:18:18

If you want your ds to get his citizenship papers then you have to comply I'm afraid, no matter how stupid or discriminatory you think the officials are.

I can understand the temptation to kick off but I'd really avoid sending a withering reply as it could jeopardize your son's application.

We had an application rejected once (by Canadian immigration officials, but I'm sure NZ is no different) for not putting an end date on a recent time period (for the job I was currently employed in and that I expected to be employed in for the foreseeable future). It led to a six month delay and a reapplication fee angry

ImtheChristmasCarcass Fri 04-Dec-15 02:27:09

Probably a situation where law hasn't kept up with modern life.

We had similar where I worked (we paid out family benefits) but IIRC our age was '45'. It was to 'be sure' that the mother/claimant had indeed given birth to the child. When the laws were formulated (when the earth was cooling) it was rare that someone had a baby at that age, so law required they provide 'extra proof' that they had given birth (as opposed to stealing a child, I suppose).

dratsea Fri 04-Dec-15 03:02:08

nooka helpful advice, might be why I am on here and not expostulating as instructed by dw replying to internal affairs. Given that dw has biochemical proof that she will never menstruate again it will probably be safe to send a reply, but agree, only once ds has his black passport. Still looking for the killer line. AF wherefore art thou?

BoxofSnails Fri 04-Dec-15 03:16:28

I think it's about genetic problems and additional needs. They are notorious for not wanting to accept those who will basically needs funding.
I went through this one stage removed with a friend with a child with mild global developmental delay. They had to wait to emigrate until he was 'caught up'. Now thriving - just slower thru those early milestones. Despite the dad being headhunted they would have blocked the whole family.

EleanorRigsby Fri 04-Dec-15 03:37:30

As nooka says....it doesn't really matter why.
You just have to comply with whatever rules are stipulated to make the immigration run smoothly.
Asking on MN is going to get a lot of speculative answers.
My DH had to have extra X-rays taken and seen by another doctor before he was allowed in to NZ. Turned out the first interpretation was correct (as we knew) but arguing would have caused delay and stress. Sure, it cost us more money but going by their rules meant everything went to plan and time.
Good luck

EleanorRigsby Fri 04-Dec-15 03:42:55

OP why is coming to NZ on a working visa expensive? If DS is under 30 then I don't believe it costs anything for the working visa. If you are a citizen of a visa waiver country that is.
your DS could work for 12 out of 24 months I believe.

And NZ has made it into the new millennium smile

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