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To shop half of you lot to the police for a "mistrust of mainstream media reports"?

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AnotherEffingOrangeRevel Thu 03-Dec-15 13:17:29

Have a look at the leaflet being given out to help parents spot whether their teenagers are becoming radicalised. It's in the article below:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/young-people-who-question-government-policy-or-the-media-may-be-extremists-officials-tell-parents-a6756086.html

Garlick Thu 03-Dec-15 13:19:34

safeguarding board warns that “appearing angry about government policies, especially foreign policies” is a sign “specific to radicalisation”.

Funny, I thought it was specific to democracy. Guilty as charged, your honour. Deport me. Somewhere warm & sunny, please.

AuntieStella Thu 03-Dec-15 13:21:06

It's a question of degree, isn't it?

Like when you get those check lists of whether your DC might have eg ADHD behavioural disorder and every single toddler does nearly everything on the list from time to time. But when it's many of them, intensely and every day you refer to experts to see what's up.

BathshebaDarkstone Thu 03-Dec-15 13:21:36

Deport me too, while you're at it. hmm

Tiggeryoubastard Thu 03-Dec-15 13:21:53

I thought it was pretty much obligatory as a teenager.

SuburbanRhonda Thu 03-Dec-15 13:22:20

Better shop the DC right now. And myself. DH might be ok grin

AnotherEffingOrangeRevel Thu 03-Dec-15 13:23:05

Personally, if any teenager didn't show a "mistrust of mainstream media reports" or sometimes display signs of "feeling angry about government policy", I'd be worried.

Flumplet Thu 03-Dec-15 13:25:11

“showing a mistrust of mainstream media reports and a belief in conspiracy theories” could be a sign that children are being groomed by extremists". grin

i had better report my nana - i'm now worried that she is being groomed.

LurkingHusband Thu 03-Dec-15 13:35:18

Wasn't there a news story a while back, where social services were expected to gauge parents political views as part of child safety ?

EnaSharplesHairnet Thu 03-Dec-15 13:43:04

The most unbelievable report was about the young Welshman from GCHQ found in a bag in a who was supposed to have killed himself.
The entire country shook it's head as one.

I suppose it about looking for changes in attitudes, which can be difficult to interpret in the teenage years when their views are so malleable.

AnotherEffingOrangeRevel Sun 06-Dec-15 15:44:50

Yes Ena, that one's pretty ridiculous. Only the tip of the iceberg, too.

BlueJug Sun 06-Dec-15 16:58:11

As AuntieStella said it is a question of degree.

We can never determine what "radicalization" is. I hate the term but it seems that some degree of "brainwashing" is a factor in terrorist attacks. Yes we can laugh at the leaflet - and yes it would apply to many of

How can we define it? Or spot it? Or prevent it.?

wonkylegs Sun 06-Dec-15 17:03:45

Ah bugger I must be an extremist - I just thought I had an intelligent mind that questioned the bollocks that the media and government come up with and realised that there is often more than one point of view. But according to our PM I'm also a terrorist sympathiser so I guess I am dangerous, not that you'd know it to look at me - disabled pregnant mother with respectable professional job living in rural England.

AnotherEffingOrangeRevel Sun 06-Dec-15 18:09:09

Yep, you're going on the watch list, wonky grin

mimishimmi Sun 06-Dec-15 23:13:58

We're all on the watchlist .... wink

chilledwarmth Sun 06-Dec-15 23:23:39

I match several of these

Own several burner phones paid in cash and not linked to me.

If the mainstream media told me the grass was green I'd want to go outside to double check it was

Secretive behaviour - Use false names for just about everything barring legal documents, refuse to use Facebook, used TOR ever since Edward Snowden revealed the NSA were spying on innocent people

I'm very opposed to government foreign policy. We go around starting random wars and then we're meant to be surprised when the people we attacked start attacking us back. Keep the military as a defensive force, not a "Policeman of the world" force.

They'd probably see me as an uber terrorist. Imagine someone daring to want privacy from the government and opposing some of their policies.

Cleansheetsandbedding Sun 06-Dec-15 23:27:23

Shit I better hand myself in!

I believe very little about what I hear or see on/in the media.

Crooks the lot of 'em 👀👀

HoneyDragon Sun 06-Dec-15 23:29:49

Whoaaaah. Read the list.

I've totally been radicalised. I reckon it was the Hindu chap delivering my shopping who I gave my pen too after his had ran out when he delivered my shopping and the scanners had broke.

In fact, I bet the scanners weren't broke requiring paperwork and I've signed up to join the rebel alliance.

<tries using the force on the dog>

BlackeyedSusan Sun 06-Dec-15 23:30:36

well they can start with locking up half the labour party, liberals, SNP etc etc... bugger democracy..

howtorebuild Sun 06-Dec-15 23:34:05

Oh I am another terrorist sympathiser. My dd's history teacher is grooming her, teaching her conspiracy theories and not to trust the press, due to past propaganda.hmm

chantico Mon 07-Dec-15 08:03:55

Do some of the 'terrorists' here ever feel they

- have a short attention span and can be easily distracted?
- make careless mistakes?
- lose things?

Better go to your GP ASAP, then as that's part of the NHS checklist for ADHD.

howtorebuild Mon 07-Dec-15 09:13:39

What has ADHD got to do with being radicalism? Surely they would be a poor choice, they would forget where the target was and where they put their arsenal?

DeoGratias Mon 07-Dec-15 09:58:18

It's one of the main things I want my teenagers to have strong views even if they differ from mine as they often do.
However having some guidance on what to look for is never a problem.

I strongly disagree with many of this Government's policies (because they are too wet on so many issues, too high spend and too high tax and I don't support the bombing of Syria).

chantico Mon 07-Dec-15 11:51:11

"What has ADHD got to do with being radicalism?"

Nothing.

Except for the use of a check list in assessing whether it is present or not.

Isn't that sort of assessment tool about degree and frequency of the presence of indicators? Not just whether one of them has ever happened.

kesstrel Mon 07-Dec-15 12:34:38

'The leaflet says children who show a combination of these signs may be en route to emulating those who “have been persuaded to leave the country in secret and against the wishes of their family, putting themselves in extreme danger as a result”.'

Direct quote from article. Also, the leaflet has been produced by one London borough, not by central government.

While I agree that it would be ridiculous for anyone to suggest that being angry about government policy on its own is undesirable or necessarily a sign of Islamist radicalisation, I am a bit uncomfortable with the misrepresentation on this thread, and with the lack of regard for the anguish of Muslim parents who find themselves in this position, and who are genuinely frightened for their children.

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