Stupid diet moodiness

[BloodyAnnoyedWithThis]

My sister, who I live with, is doing the 5.2 diet and has become absolutely impossible to live with. Today I was subjected to a rant about how much she hates me and why she would never choose to be my friend in normal circumstances.

Aib to think if you choose to go on a diet, you should control yourself a bit more and not be grumpy?! Ffs

[specialsubject]

standard issue with the disordered eating that is 5:2. On a day when she's eaten normally (unlikely on this regime, sadly) tell her to sort it out as she is a bitch to be around when hungry.

warning; what I have just said comes under the 'we throw a strop when facts are mentioned' category on mumsnet. You don't have to like it but that doesn't change it.

guzzle and starve is a terrible way to treat a healthy body.

[JumpandScore]

It is essential for those around me that I am never, ever hungry. I never leave the house without nuts! I eat well, four regular meals a day and enjoy my food. Have never needed to diet, just make sure the crap's not creeping in to much if a few pounds go on.

That sounds more braggy than it was intended to be! My point was that there's no need to starve yourself, just eat real food (not crap) regularly.

[BlueBlueSea]

The Dukan Diet made me really grumpy, all the kids and DH asked me to stop as I was horrid to live with.

I am fine on the 5:2 as it is near to my natural eating pattern.

Tell her when she is on a fast she is grumpy. Maybe she needs to change the balance of food on her fast day.

[Izzabellasasperella]

Dh started the Atkins diet today. He is the grumpiest git when hungry but assures me that he won't be on this one.

[BarbaraofSeville]

Maybe 5:2 isn't the diet for her? It sounds like it suits Blue but I would never even attempt it as I need more than 500 calories for breakfast, even when dieting.

How about suggesting she thinks about what would suit her better and try that (calorie counting, Slimming World, Low Carb?).

[corlette]

I agree with pps maybe the 5:2 isn't for her.
I work with two people who do it, one is fine, you would never know she was on a fasting day. She's done it for over a year and it's more a lifestyle more than diet.
The other, who's also done it for over a year, is unbearable and it has actually caused issues within our team as she is totally unreasonable, irritable and flustered by the afternoon that her work is affected.
She's a great person and fantastic colleague but I do dread fasting day as I know there will be a shit storm around 3pm. It's that predictable.
Also, she is totally not like this during Ramadan but that's because she eats a massive low GI meal before sunrise and she can sustain this for the duration of Ramadan with no apparent problems. She's fine!
She admits she eats around 100 calories on 5:2 for breakfast as she prefers to keep the remaining 400 for tea. You can tell the difference and she clearly struggles.

[Breadandwine]

Sorry to hear you're suffering, Annoyed. Sounds to me that your sister is going about the 5:2 WOL (way of life - it's not a diet) in quite the wrong way.

There is no need to be hungry, or to feel deprived, in any way, on 500 calories twice a week - which is the recommended number of calories for a woman.

I've been 5:2ing for almost 4 years, and, on 600 cals (I'm male), I feel absolutely stuffed after a meal.

I used to get ratty when a meal was delayed - now I can go 24 hours on just water and coffee, with no problems at all.

I suggest your sister check out the main 5:2 thread for all the info needed on this WOL - loads of research (with references), advice, support and friendship on there.

"standard issue with the disordered eating that is 5:2. On a day when she's eaten normally (unlikely on this regime, sadly) tell her to sort it out as she is a bitch to be around when hungry.

warning; what I have just said comes under the 'we throw a strop when facts are mentioned' category on mumsnet. You don't have to like it but that doesn't change it.

guzzle and starve is a terrible way to treat a healthy body"

My goodness, specialsubject, you really need to do your research. Your post is wrong on every count!

Tell me, pray, what 'facts' are you referring to?

Don't wish to be unkind, but speaking from a position of ignorance is not a good place to be. Sorry!

[tobysmum77]

I think that the diet is a red herring. She has no right to treat anyone like this including you. She needs to start behaving better or move out.

[RachelZoe]

I've never done 5:2 special but I don't think you're supposed to guzzle on the days you aren't having 500cals. Just eat normally no? But then, maybe people on here are overdoing it on the normal days.

[talkinnpeace]

bloodyannoyed
The issue is that she is ratty.
5:2 is just her excuse
she'd be the same if she was on WW or SW or anything else
she just has not internalised the need to eat less for her own good and is taking it out on you.

[specialsubject]

eating too little makes for ratty buggers.

why not just eat sensible amounts every day rather than farting around with this nonsense? Or is that too bloody obvious? Or, perish the thought, it doesn't cost more so no-one markets it?

never been fat, never dieted. No need for 'research'. Don't guzzle and move around.

[specialsubject]

ps I did do some research into this, got paid to do so. 5:2 works for those that consume fewer calories than they burn off. There is no credible evidence otherwise. If people have to go on this timetable due to lack of general self-control, fine, but being unliveable with due to hunger is not fun for those around you.

usual disclamer for oversensitive MN - there are a few medical conditions that cause weight gain. Most simply eat too much.

[specialsubject]

ps don't like the facts? Don't send me a bitchy email. Bitch on here.

[talkinnpeace]

wow special Who rattled your cage?
Do you think you've had some miraculous insight?
I do not lose weight on 5:2 - Have not done for years
I was a moody mare long before I started fasting. I've become less moody now that I've found such an easy way to enjoy good food and stay slim.

The reason I fast has nothing at all to do with weight loss - you need to read more and insult less

[specialsubject]

I'm agreeing with you as always, TIP!!

I do find that I get bitchy emails if I state too many uncomfortable facts on here, and eat too much get fat is one of those.

So I'm requesting that those that want to bitch at me, have the balls to do so in public on here.

meanwhile it is nearly suppertime, lots of lovely carbs, red meat, veg. Can't wait.

[talkinnpeace]

Special
You are well read and well informed.
You get bitchy emails when you are un necessarily insulting

Yes, of course the 5:2 weight loss bandwagon involves a calorie deficit
no shit sherlock
BUT
3 meals a day is a modern Western invention

describing moving away from that narrow model as disordered eating is

• untrue
  
• unhelpful
  
• goady to an extent that you really should have grown out of by now

[Breadandwine]

No bitching from me, special! I'm just a little puzzled why you're getting so het up about the 5:2 WOL. (Not hungry, are you? )

I'm happy for you that you've never been overweight and never dieted; however, I have.

You talk about 'facts', but fail signally to include them in your posts. Well here's a couple of facts for you:

I've been grossly overweight in the past - and a stone and a half overweight for 30 or so years, thanks to WW! Now, down to the 5:2 WOL, I've been lean and trim for over 3 years now. And I know I'll be this way until I shuffle off this mortal coil!

More facts for you, which you can include in your 'research':
Hundreds, if not thousands, of women (and a few men) have been happily losing weight and posting about it on Mumsnet for over 3 years now.

More. (The following is taken from the excellent OP on the main 5:2 thread):

"Recent research into the health benefits of fasting: e.g. by world-respected neuroscientist Dr MarkMattson showed:
. Improved glucose regulation
. Loss of abdominal fat with maintenance of muscle mass
. Reduced blood pressure and heart rate
. Improved learning and memory and motor function
. Protection of neurons in the brain against dysfunction and degeneration in animal models of Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, stroke and Huntington’s disease."

There is more, much more, evidence on this scientifically backed WOL, on the 5:2 threads.

Sorry, I actually did find a fact on one of your posts:

it doesn't cost more so no-one markets it

That's very true!

BTW, don't you have any empathy for those who find it difficult to lose weight?

[specialsubject]

nope, not hungry, thank you. Fortunately I have enough to eat.

not un-necessarily insulting, either. Facts aren't offensive. And true whether people like them or not. If people believed less nonsense without evidence the world would be a better place.

a poster with a male name quite often tells others they are talking crap, admittedly not often about diets. But MN rolls over for that and allows its belly to be tickled.

I do wonder sometimes. Perhaps Pistonheads would be a better bet?