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Something more should be done about the 10'000-20'000 deaths each year in london directly because of the air qualify

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Sajamine Sat 14-Nov-15 16:10:42

It's got some of the worst air quality in Europe and several studies have shown that many a year are killed by it.

Nothing drastic is done to change this. They are still oushing taxis to be all diesels and giving people with diesels cheaper road tax and the rise is in part due to the push to disels.

Also they have reduced the congestion charge and I think carried on allowing free parking in the west end, even though london has one of the best transport systems in the world.

Other cities with w problem have started to use the river for transports and banned number plates on certain days. London seems to do very little. If anything else was causing so many deaths something wild be done.

WorraLiberty Sat 14-Nov-15 16:45:01

This is why I have to roll my eyes when some Mumsnetters complain about a tiny bit of cigarette smoke, being blown around in the outdoors.

MumOnTheRunAgain Sat 14-Nov-15 16:58:12

They die directly from fumes? Really?hmm

KeepOnMoving1 Sat 14-Nov-15 16:58:51

Fgs hmm

howtorebuild Sat 14-Nov-15 17:00:27

Bojo can't get a handle on air quality and he wants to run the country...

Where do you get your figures? I know we are due a fine for air quality, I didn't know it was that bad.

Haffdonga Sat 14-Nov-15 17:01:14

Can you show us any scientific evidence for these numbers? They seem unbelievable.

Angelina321 Sat 14-Nov-15 17:01:39

Can you link to any research supporting your claims?

ilovesooty Sat 14-Nov-15 17:01:51

I'd like to know the evidence for those figures.

cashewnutty Sat 14-Nov-15 17:04:11

Around 10 000 deaths per year as stated in this article.

ilovesooty Sat 14-Nov-15 17:05:47

There's a bit of difference between 10000 and 20000.

PerspicaciaTick Sat 14-Nov-15 17:07:10

I assume the OP is refering to this study from earlier this year.

The article hints that deaths may actually be declining, but as it was the first time that the data was studied in this way, there don't seem to be any trends available yet.

Haffdonga Sat 14-Nov-15 17:09:21

Here's some actual information.

Stinkycity

Seriouslyffs Sat 14-Nov-15 17:10:04

Deaths here
It's not clear cut though- the most polluted area is in Kensington and Chelsea which has the best figures for life expectancy in he uk.
I've lived in London for 30 years and it's massively, noticeably more congested. But the nimby fuss whenever councils try to reduce traffic (one way systems, cycle routes etc.) and lack of will to spend the £££££ to get traffic off the roads suggests that people just aren't that bothered.

CherryPicking Sat 14-Nov-15 17:10:24

People dont give a shit unless directly affected, lost someone to respiratory illness etc. As this thread proves. Thats the English mindset.

Andrewofgg Sat 14-Nov-15 17:12:20

If you can tell me where this free parking in the West End is please do. By PM.

TwoSmellyDogs Sat 14-Nov-15 17:12:32

How incredibly tedious. Still, makes a nice change from the endless soup and nutrition threads. hmm

caroldecker Sat 14-Nov-15 17:37:43

Please can people actually read the research rather than waffle bollocks.
The research here.

They have calculated that 2010 London pollution would reduce average life expectancy by about a year for anyone who lived in that area for life.

They have then multiplied this by the London population to get 140,000 life years lost each year and then decided this is equivalent to 10,000 deaths a year.

The actual story is 'London pollution reduces life expectancy by 1 year'.

JeffsanArsehole Sat 14-Nov-15 17:49:42

Oh how tragic.

To get to live in Kensington and Chelsea with one of the best life expectancies in the country.

And to have that reduced by one year if you live there your whole life,

I will take the rich life in Kensington please and just live til 85.

Which you know is better than most of Scotland where some places you're unlikely to live past 55.

Are we really supposed to feel sorry for the wealthy with that statistic ? hmmconfused

specialsubject Sat 14-Nov-15 17:51:45

I thought the congestion charge had been increased.

London is much better than it was; I used to live there and then commute there, and now you don't get the black bits up your nose. Prevailing wind will mean eastern districts are dirtier.

yes, diesels are mucky. All public London vehicles should be electric (ideal situation for that) but too expensive. Also with our generating capacity falling apart, not a good idea.

gamerchick Sat 14-Nov-15 17:55:58

Give it a couple of decades and this type of thread will be just as entertaining as the wisp of smoke drifting through the window threads. grin
Seriously detest London me, always come back with a cough from all the traffic.

gamerchick Sat 14-Nov-15 17:58:04

I thought all diesels after 2005 were fitted with a dpf filter to take care of emissions. Means you use more fuel and can wreck your engine if the filter gets clogged up but hey the air will be cleaner.

Mistigri Sat 14-Nov-15 18:55:28

Filters reduce particulates (soot) but not oxides of nitrogen.

I imagine a lot of the diesel-related pollution in London will be from commercial vehicles - might help to ban older trucks or require them to be retrofitted with modern exhaust treatment (new ones will be cleaner).

Sajamine Sat 14-Nov-15 19:14:29

People dont give a shit unless directly affected, lost someone to respiratory illness etc. As this thread proves. Thats the English mindset.
Totally agree, sadly.

gamerchick Sat 14-Nov-15 19:17:08

Problem is with these filters is they totally knack your car if you don't do a blast on a motorway once a week or so, get the engine good and hot. Diesels are no good for mostly short journeys if they are fitted with that damn filter. I don't think they should be fitted to commercial older vehicles.

Maybe London should be electric only, it would be amusing to observe the outrage while in the next breath whinging about smokers anyroad.

Andrewofgg Sun 15-Nov-15 08:59:16

JeffsanArsehole So poisoning the air is all right as long as it is rich areas that take most harm?

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