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Are PRUs really that bad?!

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Gracell4545 Sat 07-Nov-15 18:16:19

DD struggles in MS she is 14 and since starting secondary has made little to no progress. School have said they "don't think they can meet her needs" and suggested the possibility of the pru.
DD has learning difficulties but is very street wise. she has a tutor out of school but her memory difficulties make it tricky for her to progress.
DD would be really upset to leave her friends , I have only ever heard horror stories about PRUs. Has anyone had a positive experience?

nilbyname Sat 07-Nov-15 18:20:14

Well if there are no behavioural issues then I would be losing my shit that they school were unwilling to meet my child's needs.

Does your child have a educational health plan- a statement?

Prus are usually for children who can't stay in school due to tainting or bahavoourAl issues.

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe Sat 07-Nov-15 18:21:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

32ndfloorandabitdizzy Sat 07-Nov-15 18:25:14

A PRU wouldn't typically be for a child with an EHCP or a child with learning difficulties. A PRU is usually for a child who has been excluded or is at risk of exclusion, linked to behaviour or sometimes MH issues.

Gracell4545 Sat 07-Nov-15 18:26:29

No I have just requested one waiting for a response, school seem a bit clueless and said "they are only needed for special residential schools" angry.

She has behavioural problems in that if she is frustrated she becomes quite emotional and has time out. No fixed term exclusions to date. (Complaints of eye rolling, tutting, head on desk when she's not understood).

32ndfloorandabitdizzy Sat 07-Nov-15 18:26:42

Also PRUS mostly have boys, usually very few girls.

Where do you live- there are lots of new APs and studio schools that have been set up which admit into Year 10.

Gracell4545 Sat 07-Nov-15 18:29:15

She is not "severe enough" for a specialist provision but mainstream is very difficult. I've been fighting to let her drop some subjects to do other creative subjects and core subjects but they say their hands are tied.

BrandNewAndImproved Sat 07-Nov-15 18:30:36

PRUs are for children that can't be in main stream school because of behavioural and safety issues. I work in one but not as a teacher and it's absolutely bonkers. The dc are very violent and would be a danger to others and themselves in mainstream school.

BrandNewAndImproved Sat 07-Nov-15 18:32:25

It also costs £30,000 a year to educate them there. They are a last resort and not for dc struggling with learning that could be dealt with in mainstream with support and a one to one.

Gracell4545 Sat 07-Nov-15 18:34:51

DD would hate that sad
She is definetly not violent or aggressive in the slightest. She has quite a nervous disposition.

BrandNewAndImproved Sat 07-Nov-15 18:35:09

She rolls her eyes and tuts.. PRU dc kick off by throwing chairs, throwing themselves, kicking anything, having to be restraint, setting the fire alarm off for because it's sunny and they want to go outside.

It's not low level poor behaviour that would mean they get put in a pru.

BrandNewAndImproved Sat 07-Nov-15 18:35:55

I'm not sure what happened to my paragraph up there. Autocorrect sucks!

Lowdoorinthewall Sat 07-Nov-15 18:37:12

I'd be amazed if she'd be placed in a PRU with no fte on her record.

Traditionally PRUs were not registered as schools and pupils were not supposed to be in them long term. Placements were supposed to be for some time out and planning re-integration in the existing or a new placement. According to research they are amongst the weakest type of educational setting in terms of how much progress pupils make- for obvious reasons (pupils on part time, short term placements, fewer staff so less specialist teaching etc.)

These days there are more Alternative Provision Schools some of which have taken on the function of a PRU as well as having permanent pupils on their own role. I imagine these would be more stable places.

The idea of a Studio School is a good one- is there one in your area?

Gracell4545 Sat 07-Nov-15 18:39:28

I have never heard of a studio school, do you mind expanding?

Lowdoorinthewall Sat 07-Nov-15 18:39:40

It is true that there will be children with some fairly spectacular behavioural difficulties in any SEMH provision.

ghostyslovesheep Sat 07-Nov-15 18:40:42

Yes get an EHCP - if the school 'can't meet her needs' she needs to be somewhere that can

I have worked in PRU's - they can do good things with kids who have struggled - mainly because of the staffing ratios - although I think they therefore don't prepare kids for FE etc

But I would think a school for children with moderate learning disabilities would be more suitable or even a better mainstream school that can meet her needs

PlaymobilPirate Sat 07-Nov-15 18:41:04

I work in FE with students who've not achieved in, or been kicked out of PRUs. Many of them are girls.

What area are you? Some FE colleges are doing 14-16 provision now.

Direct Delivery - mainly kids who've been bullied / not coped in school

Alternative Provision - mainly those who'd usually go to a PRU

That's a total generalisation but accurate in my experience. Direct Delivery might suit your dd if you live in an area that does it

Lowdoorinthewall Sat 07-Nov-15 18:41:17

Studio School Trust

Smaller schools, more practical bent to the education. I think they look amazing, if I was a Secondary teacher I would work in on like a shot.

ghostyslovesheep Sat 07-Nov-15 18:42:36

to be honest it sounds like her current school have done very little to help and just want rid of her, poor thing sad

Gracell4545 Sat 07-Nov-15 18:43:43

Thank you I will look into it now. I am in west Kent area.

Gracell4545 Sat 07-Nov-15 18:46:24

I feel the same ghostly it breaks my heart. She adores her friends and would fall apart at the mention of a special needs school. She is incredibly charismatic but putting pen to paper is just so difficult for her.

TheWrathofNaan Sat 07-Nov-15 18:55:31

A PRU is supposed to be a very short term measure. The idea is the child transitions back to their 'home' school.

I do not see how this measure will in any way help your daughter!

Your school has lied to you about EHCP's probably because once your child's needs are identified they legally have to meet them.

I would initiate the EHCP process myself RIGHT NOW!

StrawberryTeaLeaf Sat 07-Nov-15 19:16:44

school seem a bit clueless and said "they are only needed for special residential schools"

That is shocking ignorance or misinformation.

It sounds as though they just want her off their hands and budgets .

You'll find somewhere better for her. NOT a PRU by your description of her.

StrawberryTeaLeaf Sat 07-Nov-15 19:21:42

Definitely pursue the EHCP

It might be worth speaking to the people behind Opt Into ;

westkent.ac.uk/component/content/article/899-employability-and-community-other-info/10686-young-people-14-18.html

They'll probably be able to signpost you to other 14-16 options even if the short programme isn't suitable for your DD.

Unfortunately uou are quite some distance (Rye or C London) from a studio school, otherwise I'd third that suggestion. But there might be other mainstream but alternative 14+ provision around.

Good luck flowers

Thingsthatmakeugoummmm Sat 07-Nov-15 20:30:23

Most children I have worked with who are PRU's have severe behaviour issues. It can become explosive as their different behaviours can wind each other up and they also learn some bad habits from others.

From the information you have given, I really can't see why they would place your daughter in a behaviour unit. What about schools that specialise in Emotional issues? I know of some in Kent

Good luck in finding right place for her. Stand your ground, it needs to be right school for her and not what school feels is right for them

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