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To shout at the next person that says the 5p bag money goes to charity

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Marue Sun 18-Oct-15 18:49:48

Firstly the government get a big slice of it from vat and secondly it goes to "good causes". Many large shops have created foundation trusts purely to bank this money with and the rules are not that strict on what actually happens to the money.

Everyone keeps saying it goes to charity and that is not true.

Even if usage goes down 90% with stores like sainsburys now doing jumbo thick bags for 5p that must use about 10x the plastic we will be no better off. Maybe worse off as the old bags biodegraded in a few years, these jumbo thick bags will probably take a century!

JeffsanArsehole Sun 18-Oct-15 18:51:34

The last point you're wrong on as far as I know. The thin ones take over 500 years to degrade but the thick ones can be recycled (and are more likely to be)

ilovesooty Sun 18-Oct-15 18:53:28

Don't buy the bags then. Why are you so bothered about what other people think or do?

Floggingmolly Sun 18-Oct-15 18:53:31

The purpose of the charge is to reduce the amount of plastic bags in circulation, not to raise money as an end in itself. Stop buying them...

RJnomaaaaaargh Sun 18-Oct-15 18:54:21

The thin ones don't take over 500 years. The one in my wardrobe turned to powder in less than 5.

JassyRadlett Sun 18-Oct-15 18:54:56

Maybe worse off as the old bags biodegraded in a few years, these jumbo thick bags will probably take a century!

Even the biodegradable ones don't break down in landfill - they need oxygen. And when they do, they leave plenty of nasties behind.

The ones that might break down in a few years are the ones floating around as litter, killing and maiming wildlife and being a massive eyesore.

Marue Sun 18-Oct-15 18:55:37

The thin ones don't take 500 years! The most recent ones from sainsburys that have just been withdrawn take 2-3 years to turn into dust.

KingJoffreyLikesJaffaCakes Sun 18-Oct-15 18:56:40

Shouting at people who are misinformed is kind of weird.

Could you not just correct them normally? With manners and stuff?

Marue Sun 18-Oct-15 18:57:39

reduce the amount of plastic bags in circulation

That it will do, but doubt it will make any change on the plastic consumption of the average person by volume.

HeySoulSister Sun 18-Oct-15 18:59:44

Where's your evidence that 'many big shops have created foundation trusts?'

NoahVale Sun 18-Oct-15 19:00:52

the 5p goes to charity
wink

JassyRadlett Sun 18-Oct-15 19:01:49

The thin ones don't take 500 years! The most recent ones from sainsburys that have just been withdrawn take 2-3 years to turn into dust.

Oddly enough, the 'thin ones' aren't all made of identical material.

Cupboards (dry, reasonably warm) provide a fairly good environment for oxodegradeable bags to break down. Still wouldn't want to let an animal ingest the 'dust' based on the results of some tests.

Colder conditions, or places that have high humidity, are much less good. It's good we don't live somewhere that has cool, wet winters. Oh....

ilovesooty Sun 18-Oct-15 19:02:11

Oh dear Noah The OP might shout now. grin

tomatodizzy Sun 18-Oct-15 19:02:34

You plan to shout at someone over a plastic bag? It could be worse I suppose not sure how

MamaLazarou Sun 18-Oct-15 19:02:49

I read that the supermarkets don't have to give the money to charity but that it's 'frowned upon' if they don't.

MamaLazarou Sun 18-Oct-15 19:04:15

"Oddly enough, the 'thin ones' aren't all made of identical material."

The OP made it very clear that she was talking about the Sainsbury's ones. There's really no need for sarcasm.

MamaLazarou Sun 18-Oct-15 19:05:30

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/plastic-bag-charge-where-does-the-5p-go-a6679811.html

Marue Sun 18-Oct-15 19:08:20

Thanks mama

This is also a good link

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/plastic-bag-tax-its-here-and-its-green-but-retailers-will-decide-where-the-money-goes-a6678706.html

JassyRadlett Sun 18-Oct-15 20:47:40

The OP made it very clear that she was talking about the Sainsbury's ones. There's really no need for sarcasm

She categorically stated that 'the thin ones' don't take hundreds of years to break down, then used a Sainsbury's one as proof that they don't.

Fair enough in the circumstances to point out that they're not all identical to the Sainsbury's ones...

JassyRadlett Sun 18-Oct-15 20:49:35

(Even if the Sainsbury's ones degraded over the course of a few years in all circumstances. Which they don't.)

RJnomaaaaaargh Sun 18-Oct-15 21:08:31

Firstly I am not the op hmm secondly the bag which disintegrated in my wardrobe was tescos - the ones which crumbled in the bottom of the IKEA holder in my warm humid kitchen were however from a variety of shops.

Shortandsweet20 Sun 18-Oct-15 21:14:06

I may get shot down, but I work at Clarks and ours definitely goes to charity! We used to use a bag for rubbish and now if we do we have to put it through to donate that 5p to the charity!

ComposHatComesBack Sun 18-Oct-15 22:32:05

Christ the England have made an almighty meal of the charging for carrier bags. It was implemented in Scotland with a tiny fraction of this bleating. A situation only exacerbated by having so many exceptions to the rule, presumably to try and appease the Daily Mail reading cunts who were up in arms when bins switched to fortnightly collection because they were too lazy and self centred to do recycling.

I love my cotton string bag from Turtle Bags. You could probably chuck it in the compost heap when it wears out.

squoosh Sun 18-Oct-15 22:46:12

We've been paying for plastic bags in Ireland since 1747 (or thereabouts). You'll be fine and soon you'll forget they were ever free.

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