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On the spot fines for street harassment

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znaika Thu 06-Aug-15 20:08:11

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AuntyMag10 Thu 06-Aug-15 20:26:16

Who do you think should enforce this. Do you expect policeman on the streets lingering around for this to happen?

AuntyMag10 Thu 06-Aug-15 20:26:28

Policemen

ElkeDagMeisje Thu 06-Aug-15 20:29:54

I think its beyond Germany has such an in your face porn and prostitution industry. Shame because its a nice country otherwise. Its not as bad in The Netherlands (where I'm from), well at least not from Dutch anyway. Its worse again in England, especially the south east.

*I think if they can do on the spot fines for dog shit, for smoking in the
wrong place, surely they can do this for guys being knobheads to women?*

Yes but no-one takes it seriously. They think women like it/deserve it/should put up with it, because what else could any woman want than it be suggested she have sex with a random man?

I agree that on the spot fines would be a great idea, we certainly need to tackle it somehow because its getting worse.

Birdsgottafly Thu 06-Aug-15 20:36:00

"Who do you think should enforce this"

The same people that enforce the "no littering, or "no street drinking" etc.

I can understand the OPs POV.

Shout something racist and there's a reaction (from the police), shout something sexist and its fine, but being female, vulnerable etc isn't a protected characteristic, so we have to put up with this shit.

There could be by laws introduced, or the laws around being drunk and disorderly should be applied, but the police choose to ignore it.

GarminGirl Thu 06-Aug-15 20:41:57

A special law just for women??

znaika Thu 06-Aug-15 20:45:58

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FoulsomeAndMaggotwise Thu 06-Aug-15 20:51:23

I would love this. I'll enforce it! I volunteer.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Thu 06-Aug-15 20:58:22

Sometimes it's not about the enforcement, it's about saying what is and isn't acceptable.

So like the dogshit thing, and in places where spitting is illegal, that sort of stuff, clearly it's pretty unlikely you'll actually be nicked for it unless you do it right in front of a police officer grin but there are other effects:

- It is a statement that this is not an acceptable thing to do in this society
- It gives bystanders / people affected the ability to object / react with the weight of the law behind them. So "don't do that I don't like it" holds less oomph than "don't do that it's illegal"

These things together can act to reduce the prevalence as some people actually do think twice about doing stuff when it's actually illegal. And of course, some people will be nicked as they'll accidentally do it near a police officer / on CCTV and there is a complaint / etc

So on that basis YES I would support this too smile

ElkeDagMeisje Thu 06-Aug-15 20:59:26

A special law just for women??

Surely for sexually harassing remarks against anyone. Most of them are of course by men against women. Not exclusively, of course, but mainly.

Do men often get told as they walk along the street that people would like to have sex with them and how they would like to do it?

Stingingthistle Thu 06-Aug-15 20:59:26

Gets my vote op

znaika Thu 06-Aug-15 21:03:59

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Burke1 Thu 06-Aug-15 21:05:43

So basically I shouldn't be allowed to approach a woman that I find attractive and compliment her? Are you for real, this is a wind up isn't it? Hey guess what if you're not interested (which is fine, you don't find me attractive/aren't interested, that's fair enough) just say no thanks, and I'll go.

znaika Thu 06-Aug-15 21:10:37

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WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Thu 06-Aug-15 21:13:17

Hmm, no.

I think you shouldn't be allowed to approach a 14yo and say "oi give us a blow job", or sit behind a woman on the bus saying "I'm going to rape you" into her ear, or shout "get your tits out!!!!" from your car at a woman walking down the road. That sort of thing. Not suggesting that you do those things, obviously.

This deliberate misunderstanding "oh you mean that men aren't allowed to talk to women any more HUH?" i mean, why do people do it. It's very odd.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Thu 06-Aug-15 21:14:38

Maybe it's the word "harassment" that is difficult?

Op said "On the spot fines for street harassment???"

I suppose if men genuinely can't tell the difference between polite conversation and harassment, then measures like this make even more sense.

Burke1 Thu 06-Aug-15 21:18:44

The problem is that you have idiots who think someone merely saying "alright darling" is harassment, when it blatantly is not, that's why I don't agree with this because there will always be someone looking to take offence at something, and if I approached someone I found attractive, she could cry "he's HARASSING me" and that's me 50 quid out of pocket for the heinous crime of talking to another human being.

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znaika Thu 06-Aug-15 21:22:01

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bigkidsdidit Thu 06-Aug-15 21:23:18

As if you don't know the difference between chatting up in a coffee shop and yelling sexual remarks out of a car hmm

JassyRadlett Thu 06-Aug-15 21:23:47

Yeah, I think calling random strangers on the street 'darling' is weird as fuck, actually.

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Burke1 Thu 06-Aug-15 21:28:03

Wow I really have heard it all, complimenting someone you find attractive is being taken as being a "slimy creeper". You'd prefer I don't compliment anyone ever presumably?

Burke1 Thu 06-Aug-15 21:30:23

Buffy I don't personally, but there's nothing wrong with people who do. It's clearly an intended chat up line. Provided they don't persist if/when you say no (And you have my full support in complaining about people who DO) then it's not "harassment" in the slightest.

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