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To hate the term "tax payers money"

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SerialBox Mon 20-Jul-15 20:35:44

It is not their money. It has been taken from them. It's now the governments money.

It's been annoying me on a lot of the benefit threads where people get all haughty about how "their tax" is being spent. You don't have a say other than backing a party who's policies in how this money is spent. It always comes across as arrogant to me.

While I'm at it I also dislike the term benefits, it put across a feeling that people in receipt of them are in some way at an advantage to those who don't which IMHO just isn't the case. I think terms such as social security (although not strictly accurate given the current situation with so many) take away that implication that so many people who are fortunate enough to have never needed additional support seem to cling onto.

I've done my tin hand and fully prepared to be told otherwise.

I am also in no way implying that everyone who has never received this additional support have these opinions. Just quite a few on the recent threads.

MrsTerryPratchett Mon 20-Jul-15 20:43:17

Yes, but the 'government' is just our representatives so in essence it's still 'our' money. I think my objection is the views of the people saying it, not that one in particular...

WoonerismSpit Mon 20-Jul-15 20:44:46

I've never thought of it that way, but actually I'm inclined to agree with you after that.

SerialBox Mon 20-Jul-15 21:01:35

I can see your point Terry but I do disagree because ultimately the general public don't actually have a say in how they spend it so it's their money to use at their own discretion.

Fullrumpus Mon 20-Jul-15 21:06:25

It never was our money that was taken from us - that deception is how it works. Income tax is a device that makes those who work (and pay tax) hate those for whom the government is unable to provide employment (so don't pay tax but receive benefits). The latter are victims of a system that requires most to work to survive but which is now so broken it is unable to provide work to many. These people are the victims of our broken system. Instead of blaming the system though, we blame the victims because of income tax that tricks us in to believing that we would be better off if the victims just ceased to exist.

thunderbird69 Mon 20-Jul-15 21:19:25

YANBU annoys me when I hear it

Lurkedforever1 Mon 20-Jul-15 21:21:45

Yanbu. Nobody trots out the taxpayers money line if you discuss your gp visits, nhs hospital use, use of state education etc and yet they're all paid for the same.

SerialBox Mon 20-Jul-15 21:22:44

Tax is taken though. Albeit before it was paid but we are all still taxed.

I do agree that people seem to have an opinion that they would be better off if people in receipt of any form of benefits ceased to exist though.

Would put money on it that it wouldn't be the case. They would spend it elsewhere. Probably on something not nearly as necessary and important as what they currently spend that portion on.

SerialBox Mon 20-Jul-15 21:24:33

YY to the GPs comment. I know someone who goes to the GP for every sneeze, cough and splutter (slight exaggeration) but never have I heard her say that someone has said she's wasting "the tax payers money". I would doubt she's ever been told that.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Mon 20-Jul-15 21:25:57

Well yes I never feel like the tax was "mine" it comes out of my pay PAYE I never see it I've never had it. My colleagues used to complain about the amount "taken" in tax what they'd do if they had all of it, I always thought that if they reduce it employers will just reduce what they pay. IYSWIM.

I have more sympathy maybe for self-employed people who do "have it" and then hand it over but for PAYE people it's, you've never had a sniff of it.

Not sure if that fits with the original point actually!

But yes I agree the term "tax-payers money" sets up a "them and us" dynamic with "them" (benefits claimants) taking and spending "our" hard earned cash.

Also good point re "benefits" it's a misnomer isn't it. Things like NHS would be better described as benefits maybe.

morethanpotatoprints Mon 20-Jul-15 21:27:52

I totally agree along with the statements I want my tax to pay for or I'm not prepared for my tax to pay for* etc.
Tough, you don't get a say so stop bloody moaning.
This is definitely a new thing as well, even in the darkest moments of Thatcher there weren't comments like this, but now everybody thinks they have a right to say how their tax is spent.

Cloggal Mon 20-Jul-15 21:28:00

Yanbu although 'government funds' also bothers me because it's the same pot.

HoneyLemon Mon 20-Jul-15 21:31:15

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honestpointofview Mon 20-Jul-15 21:32:37

In that context YANBU. However for those who work in the public sector it is a good phrase. It reminds us that the money is not ours; it belongs to the people and should be used wisely and carefully.

1Morewineplease Mon 20-Jul-15 21:35:52

Whilst I'm inclined to agree with you ...tax is used by all governments to support those in need of any public support or help eg NHS , extra top-ups , state pension etc... And as to the term " benefits" which other term would you prefer?... By any term or re-branding it would still ultimately mean the same wouldn't it? I'm not entirely sure I know what you are really trying to say...do you just not like the words themselves? If different words were used they would, by association, still mean the same thing.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 Mon 20-Jul-15 21:36:51

Yes, people who use it are twats to a man

caroldecker Mon 20-Jul-15 21:45:03

morethan Not a new thing - conference speech in 1983:

The state has no source of money, other than the money people earn themselves. If the state wishes to spend more it can only do so by borrowing your savings, or by taxing you more. And it’s no good thinking that someone else will pay. That someone else is you."
“There is no such thing as public money. There is only taxpayers’ money.”

Fullrumpus Mon 20-Jul-15 21:45:38

Tax is not used to support those in need. It is used to protect & maintain the previlege of the elite. It pays for police, armed forces, education, health etc it only ever pays fir those thing which protect (directly or indirectly the status quo)

Twowrongsdontmakearight Mon 20-Jul-15 21:47:21

I don't see the problem with saying 'taxpayers' money' because the money comes from people paying taxes. The cash doesn't come from money fairies, it comes from taxing people who work.

Justanotherlurker Mon 20-Jul-15 21:54:26

Have to agree with everyone else, I see no problem with this expression, essentially every general election is run on the basis of how the tax income is going to be distributed.

You have to accept both sides of the phrase, some people want value for pound, others want value for other people's pound.

PurpleSwift Mon 20-Jul-15 21:54:27

Tax comes from more than those who work though. It seems those who have a job and pay tax seem to think they have more of a say on how the money is spent, compared to someone who is unemployed.

The term annoys me too.

Fullrumpus Mon 20-Jul-15 21:55:31

No it doesn't. It comes from those who pretend to pay it to those who think they've earned it. It is actually a payment from the elite to their mates in government to protect them. By pretending to involve 'tax payers', they con ordinary folk into thinking they have a say in it.

longtimelurker101 Mon 20-Jul-15 21:57:49

I'm sick of it too. Just look at the £98bn paid to corporations and businesses in aid and tax relief. Its a form of benefit, but never discussed. Tax is not a pay in get out system, we all benefit from being a collective. Even the wealthiest, as proved by the figure above, benefit and actually they benefit more from the health, education etc which facilitates them.

Tax Payers money? Bore off

Fullrumpus Mon 20-Jul-15 21:59:26

Sorry - I was responding to twowrongs

morethanpotatoprints Mon 20-Jul-15 22:00:02

Carol

I meant it's a new thing of joe public complaining.
I lived through Thatcher and albeit my own little experience showed me people pulling together and rioting together grin
I didn't hear people complaining about those on benefits or how THEIR tax was going to be spent, even mc people I knew.

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