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To be proud that the uk taxpayers are helping Greece

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returningtotheuksoon Tue 14-Jul-15 07:53:12

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3159806/British-taxpayers-liable-1BILLION-emergency-loans-Greece.html

Typical daily mail outrage. But I think its brilliant that the uk tax payers are helping the Greek people. We are all part of Europe and I'd like to think if there were people suffering in our country other countries in Europe would help out. This is a country where many pensioners are going without as their money has been halved. I know I would struggle if I was given a 50% pay decrease.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster Tue 14-Jul-15 07:57:00

What is less brilliant is that the UK will probably never see that money again.

Lindor Tue 14-Jul-15 07:58:00

Hmm. No one wants to see their neighbours suffering, but you have to ask how has it come to this. And then ask why should our hardworking, scrimping taxpayers be chipping in...

Ps link doesn't work

returningtotheuksoon Tue 14-Jul-15 07:58:04

And? I donated to a food bank, I don't expect to get that food back!

returningtotheuksoon Tue 14-Jul-15 07:59:20

Sorry link doesn't work, grrr MN you are the only board I post on where links aren't automatically turned into hyper links

ThroughThickAndThin01 Tue 14-Jul-15 08:00:23

I don't care too much either way, and i like the Greeks, but this sort of thing will make people vote 'out' in our upcoming referendum,

contortionist Tue 14-Jul-15 08:00:55

The bailout money is effectively going to the European banks that Greece owes money to, not the Greek people themselves.

babybarrister Tue 14-Jul-15 08:02:24

only if they all start paying tax - too much tax evasion. No-one can assume that they do not have to pay tax and then everyone else is going to bail them out as funnily enough their government has no money for any public services ...

professornangnang Tue 14-Jul-15 08:03:11

I hope Greece will be OK. Their government has handled things appallingly.

gamerchick Tue 14-Jul-15 08:03:29

what did they do with the money the last time they were bailed out?

What about the next time?

Cheesecake1980 Tue 14-Jul-15 08:04:29

Did you know that most people in Greece that had a government job also had a second job. They hardly ever turned up for their government jobs and nobody questioned it.
If a man who held a government job died and had a single daughter his pension was passed onto her. The amount of 'single' daughters who were receiving this pension was incredible, but nobody questioned it.

The Greeks, Spainish, Italians have lived a very fruitful life for a long time. With a very currupt tax system.

Yes I think it's great that we are bailing them out. When our own pensioners, sick, unemployed people are living in poverty.

mumblechum1 Tue 14-Jul-15 08:04:38

What Babybarrister said. They got themselves into this mess by not paying taxes and paying themselves ridiculous levels of pensions.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster Tue 14-Jul-15 08:05:31

When you gave your tin of beans/bag of pasta etc to the food back, I assume it was in the form of charity...i.e you were not expecting back, the billion quid is in the form of a loan with conditions of repayment attached, you do see the difference dont you?

RebootYourEngine Tue 14-Jul-15 08:09:08

I think its stupid that we are giving them money when they caused these problems. The uk have starving people, homeless people, overstretched schools/hospitals etc so i think the money should stay within the uk.

annielouise Tue 14-Jul-15 08:11:25

It's not even definite also how can you be "proud" of something we've no choice in? It's not like the British people have set up a Gofundme page off their own bat and are paying out their own pockets. Their pensions haven't been "halved" - it's more complicated than that, not least they retired years before us.

returningtotheuksoon Tue 14-Jul-15 08:12:07

I'd like to see some facts about these dodgy jobs and tax please.

Greeks are the hardest working in Europe.
i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-european-workers-who-work-the-longest-hours--xycGVDQ36g

babybarrister Tue 14-Jul-15 08:17:06

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/24/greece-collecting-revenue-tax-evasion

www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/09/tax-evasion-greece

don't be so naive on the tax evasion issue - you only have to do the smallest google search to find serious article after article from all ends of the political spectrum ....

annielouise Tue 14-Jul-15 08:22:25

Their own politicians have said tax evasion is a national sport. How could you have missed this?

Samcro Tue 14-Jul-15 08:25:47

there are people suffering in this country.

Timetodrive Tue 14-Jul-15 08:29:14

I would rather the bailout was spent by helping Greece with giving them their own economy, the bailout will be given and then spent paying back the exact same establishment that bloody gave the money in the first place until bailout 4,5 etc.

RufusTheReindeer Tue 14-Jul-15 08:30:46

Can't say I'm that chuffed to be honest

MrsDeVere Tue 14-Jul-15 08:36:48

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Plarail123 Tue 14-Jul-15 08:40:34

What cheesecake said. Bailing out Greek civil servants that 'retired' at 50 on full pay? You are happy with that? Right then.

Capricorn76 Tue 14-Jul-15 08:41:57

I think it would've been more beneficial in the longterm for the UK to send HMRC employees to train up Greek tax inspectors, send IT contractors to develop tax collection systems, send companies to develop infrastructure that will create jobs and set up fair contract bidding processes to limit corruption and nepotism. Teach a man to fish and all that....

PanGalaticGargleBlaster Tue 14-Jul-15 08:57:52

I dont think they lack the tools or means to collect tax, they lack the collective will to enforce said collection. Tax evasion there does not carry with it the same stigma that it does in other more advanced European countries.

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