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to wonder why people are entitled when it comes to benefits and general life?

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toomuchentitlement Tue 30-Jun-15 14:50:04

It is becoming increasingly obvious, from threads here and conversations with people IRL, that quite a lot of people are so entitled. Obviously, everyone is anxious about the budget coming out on the 8th and what the proposed cuts will be, and so most of the talk has been revolving around benefits and the Tories (the party and those who voted for them). It is beyond frustrating how much entitlement there is in this country!

Firstly, there are people who have lots of children and then complain that the government doesn’t give them enough to feed their children. Well – the government (i.e. the taxpayer) had no part in having these children so should you not be grateful for whatever amount they do give you? I firmly believe that when you have children, they are your responsibility. This is where people say ‘Should it only be the rich that have children?’. No , just those who can afford children – if you can only afford one then stop at one. If you cannot afford any , without ANY state help, then do not have any. If you choose to have more children than you can afford to have, then you accept that you and your children will suffer as a result of your selfish decision. Yes, I totally understand that sometimes you can have children that you can afford and then life changes course; these are not the circumstances that I’m talking about. I’m talking about people who are struggling with the children they have (or don’t have) and then decide to have more. Someone will talk about contraception failing – which is rare- and even then you have choices; abortion, adoption, keep your children and struggle.

Second key area I have noticed is about housing. So many people argue that they shouldn’t have to move house ( to find a job or to be in a cheaper area) because they have family around or they grew up in a certain area. Absolutely you don’t have to move – if you can afford to stay where you are without state help! If you are relying on the state to help you and complaining about lack of jobs, then you will have to move somewhere cheaper. Plenty of people move. Family will still be family wherever you are.

Finally (well there’s a lot more but I realised I’ve typed a lot) , is regarding work. There quite a few people who absolutely believe that we shouldn’t have to work more than part-time because its not family friendly. On some threads, I have noticed people make snide comments about ‘ what a shame they live to work and not work to live’ and insinuate that these are bad people. They will bitch about these people and tear down people in highly-paid jobs but then turn around and demand more from them (in tax). My point being ; if you do not approve of full time work or highly paid jobs, why then do you want to take so much from these people who earnt the money doing what you don’t approve of?

This was mainly to vent because it is getting ridiculous and I didn’t want to shout at my friends and family (the ones who also behave this way). Apologies for any typos in the very long post !

LaurieFairyCake Tue 30-Jun-15 14:52:56

You're absolutely right hmm

Why the fuck are you on Mumsnet instead of grinding your nose at work at 2.52 pm? hmm

Get back to work you workshy oik ..

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Tue 30-Jun-15 14:54:36

Well,in my opinion...nope, it's too hot and I can't be arsedgrin

youareallbonkers Tue 30-Jun-15 14:55:03

Finally, someone on here who talks sense. Sadly the rest of the posters won't agree

toomuchentitlement Tue 30-Jun-15 14:56:45

Oh what the heck, if I've started then let me just get it all out.

Why do people gel so entitled to other people's money ? There are people shouting for 100% inheritance tax. Like, why would you want to take everything that someone worked for and left for their children? yes, it's unfair that some will be left nothing from their parents but life isn't fair and doesn't mean those who are lucky enough should be punished. i don't even agree with inheritance tax at all but I can see the argument for some tax.
Then there's the mansion tax. Why should they pay even more because they are fortunate enough to be able to buy a larger house? Often these people have paid higher rate tax on their earned income too. And yes, sometimes theres a lot of hard work involved - as opposed to just luck.

And, why do some companies feel entitled to people. By this, I mean why do they feel they can hire people for £4 to do exhausting work when they are making large profits. i completely understand businesses want to maximise profits but it just seems crazy to feel so entitled that you would exploit someone and compromise their health so you can increase your millions.

i think I can sleep better now that I've vented.

Mrsmorton Tue 30-Jun-15 14:57:30

I agree OP but I'm sure someone will come along soon to tell anyone who voted Tory that they're worse than kitten drowning, puppy beating twats.

toomuchentitlement Tue 30-Jun-15 14:57:47

Laurie Ever heard of breaks?

youarereal i know but I just had to vent {smile}

ChazzerChaser Tue 30-Jun-15 14:59:34

Toomuch, the clue is in your last point about 'entitled businesses'. Have a little ponder on that in relation to all the other stuff you've said, and see if you spot anything.

namech4nger Tue 30-Jun-15 15:01:25

Your points are valid. But so are points that are against what you've stated. Some people are born Into poverty in a terrible area resulting in terrible support and terrible education. They try there best I guess as does everyone. The state should provide to those less fortunate giving them the opportunity to be able to have children and have a home.

QuintShhhhhh Tue 30-Jun-15 15:02:52

You speak sense. But, not many will agree with you.

I think you will find that those who want to claim benefits also asks for higher taxes for those who earn a lot and pay 40% tax already plus NI. So, they want YOU to pay more tax, so that THEY shall receive more benefits.

And when you think about it, those who earn a lot, may not necessarily use all the public services that their tax pays for, like education. They may also use private healthcare rather than the NHS.

MsRhettButler Tue 30-Jun-15 15:02:58

Good post OP, I completely agree. smile

BabyFeets Tue 30-Jun-15 15:03:20

I agree with point one. Some of the other stuff but inhertitance tax I think is absolute BS. Money left to children who's parents worked and saved should all be given to the children not the government.

arethereanyleftatall Tue 30-Jun-15 15:03:35

Your thread is about to get derailed with talk of goats.
Fundamentally yanbu, but how do you differentiate between the single parent of 4 on benefits who never intended to be in that position, and the one who did?

QuintShhhhhh Tue 30-Jun-15 15:05:39

Inheritance tax is bullshit. The deceased person already paid tax on his/her earnings, so why apply another tax on passing it on?

The Norwegian Blue-Blue government has abolished inheritance tax completely. Let they stay in power long.....

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Tue 30-Jun-15 15:05:57

YABU. In a civilised country everyone should be entitled to a decent standard of living, no matter their circumstances.

WorraLiberty Tue 30-Jun-15 15:09:08

Another OP who has baffled me with a name change

If you believe in what you're saying, why don't you want anyone on Mumsnet to know your normal nick name?

It's just weird. No-one can type you to death you know confused

HamishBamish Tue 30-Jun-15 15:10:39

The way I see it is no matter how their parents arrived in the situation where they are in receipt of benefits, all children are entitled to a decent start in life. I don't want to be part of a society where there are children who aren't having their basic needs met through no fault of their own.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Tue 30-Jun-15 15:11:09

You have some valid points OP.

But I veer about a bit on all this. Although I agree about inheritance tax; some people benefit from an inheritance and I think that's fine, I wouldn't want it all taxed away just because some people think it's unfair, or because it's an easy way for the government to take in money.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou Tue 30-Jun-15 15:11:11

why don't you want anyone on Mumsnet to know your normal nick name?

Because there are idiots out there who follow you from thread to thread. If I was going to start a "controversial" thread I'd change mine too....

JazzerciseThis Tue 30-Jun-15 15:11:18

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou Tue 30-Jun-15 15:12:13

I agree with most of your post OP

wafflyversatile Tue 30-Jun-15 15:12:45

biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit

ThroughThickAndThin01 Tue 30-Jun-15 15:13:00

Agree Worra, people are hiding behind a different user name to the username they're hiding behind already. Very puzzling.

morage Tue 30-Jun-15 15:13:27

Yes lets make sure everyone moves away from family. Then no one will have cheap or free childcare, or be able to help elderly or disabled relatives. But if they need help, the state could just pay for that instead.

NorahDentressangle Tue 30-Jun-15 15:13:41

I do think we have got totally away from the idea of relying on family or friends in difficult times.

The state / gov/ tax payer/ high earners/ council/ SS/ NHS/ Education Dept / anyone other than you or anyone connected to you, should solve the problem.

And times are going to get v difficult before we are finished. I don't think it's the case in other western countries.

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