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ask you to please name a country less racist than the UK

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babybarrister Thu 25-Jun-15 16:10:19

UK getting a bashing at the moment and there is no doubt that there is a lot of nasty stuff afoot - as well as the "usual" levels of racism there is in addition some very unpleasant UKIP rhetoric, anti Islamic and anti semitism on the rise etc etc

BUT where is this idyllic country where this is not CURRENTLY happening? The only places that come to mind are perhaps some of the Scandinavian countries?

Surely whilst fighting to eradicate racism in the UK we should at least acknowledge that we are amongst the most tolerant nations?

HipsterBeard Thu 25-Jun-15 16:15:47

How are judging levels of racism, though, OP? Numbers of reported racist crimes? Membership of racist political parties? Straw poll on how threatened minorities feel?

RiverTam Thu 25-Jun-15 16:17:10

Are we getting a bashing for being more racist than other countries? By whom?

QuintShhhhhh Thu 25-Jun-15 16:21:52

I was going to say Norway, but I think there is some provincialism if not exactly racism going on there too. But I think it differs between "town and country", as most of my dhs friends and classmates from "adult education language classes for foreigners" said the only places they had ever experienced racism was in the big cities in the south.

I think the main difference is in integration and getting people out to work side by side with everybody else, and encourage property ownership. It helps that the culture has a very flat authority and pay structure, and a philosophy that we are all equals. The pay scales are set, and salaries dont differ so much, so that people end up very similar from a socio economic point of view. Also, it is deeply recognized that foreigners make a valid contribution.

The reason why they CAN make a valid contribution is that they all have to go through full time language classes, with cultural modules along with learning how things work. This includes trips to city hall, the library, the mayors office, to learn how society, politics, taxes etc work. After they graduate from the language classes, they are offered fast track A level studies, then college, where they can chose between courses that leads to careers in stuff the country needs, like nursing, care assistant, etc. They dont pay for education. They get benefits while they study, then they cant get a grant to use as a deposit to buy a home, and can enjoy life like pretty much everybody else.

I think it also helps that nobody voluntarily really chose to go live in the arctic on their own accord, most people who come are refugees, so there are no big influx of people chancing their luck for a free education and help to home ownership.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome Thu 25-Jun-15 16:22:58

We're very tolerant in law, but in real life? We're going backwards very fast. More than once a week I get an unprompted spittle-flecked rant, usually about Muslims but frequently about gay people, women, the disabled, Poles etc. Mostly the sort of losers you'd expect, but some of them outwardly solvent and otherwise intelligent. And disturbingly young.

derxa Thu 25-Jun-15 16:40:51

I have heard lots of casual racism in rural Scotland where I am originally from and in very 'white' English areas . It's mainly due to lack of exposure to other cultures. Generally though I think we are a very tolerant nation and the laws are there to protect people. All over the world people are divided by tribalism and fear people who are different to them. I am proud to live in this country and wonder why people are desperate to come and live here if everything is so terrible.

hedgehogsdontbite Thu 25-Jun-15 16:48:04

I live in Sweden and the UK is a paradise of race relations by comparison. Racism here is an absolute no-no and there is zero tolerance of it. One of the most insulting things you can call someone is 'racist'.

The problem is that the Swedish idea of what constitutes racism would horrify most Brits. I'm a law student here and some of the court judgments I've seen are unbelieveable. For example:

- A council was sued for charging immigrants higher rents than their Swedish neighbours on the basis that Swedes take better care of their homes than foreigners. The Court of Appeal ruled that this wasn't discrimination because it was true.

- A bar banned all Asian women because some are prostitutes and they didn't want prostitutes in their bar. The court ruled that this was law full.

- A black woman had a disagreement with a bus driver who called her 'fucking black cunt'. He was prosecuted and cleared despite admitting he said it because neither he nor the other passengers felt it was offensive.

- An undercover reported recorded police during riot training. The trainers continuously referred to the pretend rioters as 'Nigger Niggerson'. They were investigated and cleared as there was no malicious intent, they were just being creative shock

Radiatorvalves Thu 25-Jun-15 16:50:47

Wow. That's shocking Hedgehog

hedgehogsdontbite Thu 25-Jun-15 16:53:45

And let me introduce you to the native Swede who performs under the stage name Dr Bombay:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKtNawQ3cxM

RiverTam Thu 25-Jun-15 16:54:34

I had a feeling that Sweden might not be the bastion of harmonious living that it's always portrayed as, but that's shocking.

flora717 Thu 25-Jun-15 16:54:53

A good number of students at the College I worked in left the Netherlands because of the "put up or shut up" attitude of the authorities who'd got involved when they accused neighbours / employers/ schools of racism. confused

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Thu 25-Jun-15 16:59:24

I have friends who live in Sweden, they say the same as pp about levels of racism there.

Seriouslyffs Thu 25-Jun-15 16:59:44

Watching with interest. I've lived and visited many countries and feel we have a very good balance of awareness and proactiveness re equality.
Same with policing. We're very aware of bad policing here, but I can't think of another country which is better.

Seriouslyffs Thu 25-Jun-15 17:02:34

^^ Sweden is one of the countries I've lived in and I agree- it's a combination of naïveté and unawarenes. Because proper far right nazism is, quite rightly, completely disapproved of and marginalised there's a lot of ignorance that goes unchallenged.

pastizzi Thu 25-Jun-15 17:03:28

If this is relative at all I read recently that Japan had been judged the the most racist and insular country in the world....

pastizzi Thu 25-Jun-15 17:03:38

Relevant....

StarsInTheNightSky Thu 25-Jun-15 17:03:52

Cuba. DH and I worked there for a couple of years, all over the country, in both rural and urban areas and everyone was very very tolerant and easygoing. Perhaps too easygoing, I had some of the worst hangovers of my life there after midweek parties <clutches pearls at the shame>.

Seriouslyffs Thu 25-Jun-15 17:04:42

Yep. 6 asylum seekers admitted last year! shock

Denimwithdenim00 Thu 25-Jun-15 17:05:47

Whose bashing Britain?

Everyone who lives here has won the lottery of life and is bloody lucky.

That's why thousands of people are desperate to get here.

We are terrific and we should be very proud as well as grateful.

LurkingHusband Thu 25-Jun-15 17:06:53

We are terrific and we should be very proud as well as grateful.

But not complacent.

Moreisnnogedag Thu 25-Jun-15 17:08:57

^^ absolutely
<says the immigrant>

JohnFarleysRuskin Thu 25-Jun-15 17:10:49

Well said lurking.

I always had an image in my mind of Netherlands being really open and non racist but then someone posted a link to Dutch X factor incident and I was staggered.

StarsInTheNightSky Thu 25-Jun-15 17:12:44

And no, I would definitely not say Britain was one of the most tolerant countries, not by a long shot. We've emigrated now but DH and I have worked all over the world and even Argentina was more tolerant, at the time, things may be different now of course.

chibi Thu 25-Jun-15 17:13:11

I wonder what is the point of this thread

It reads a bit like, stop moaning because it is worse elsewhere

meglet Thu 25-Jun-15 17:13:15

past I read the same article about Japan. sounded pretty bad.

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