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young people shouldn't be forced to repay benefits

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stolenview Thu 11-Jun-15 20:00:29

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33092329

As if young people don't have enough to worry about with no homes they can afford and ever decreasing jobs. Shockingly ageist also.

People with high debts often turn to suicide. Horrible policy.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost Thu 11-Jun-15 20:37:06

Hi Stolen. There's no link,
But if you mean they're going to have to pay all their benefits back then my Goodness it is an utter disgrace.
My dd is 16 and has to remain in education until she is 18, but when the time for her not just her every young person to go it to the world of work and heaven forbid they don't find a job and have to claim benefits, when they do find work they have to pay the benefits back. Have I got that right.
The thing is they themselves may not have paid any taxes but their parents grandparents and forebearers have
I would not be surprised if this policy caused people to Down tools to be honest. I mean what the fuck are people going out to work slogging their guts out. Paying their taxes, which is paid fir those on benefits and if we ourselves should ever need to claim, so why is it repayable
Yes it is agesist

pointythings Thu 11-Jun-15 20:43:00

I've just pasted the link into my browser - it works. And it's scary. Let's hope these guys don't actually start influencing government policy, because they make Cameron and Osborne look like philanthropists whose only need in life is to help those less fortunate than themselves...

LongDistanceLove Thu 11-Jun-15 20:44:51

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33092329

Clicky link.

So if this plan were to go ahead, a person who say had solid employment from 18-21 lost their job, would have unemployment benefits loaned to them and they would need to pay them back, doesn't matter if they have paid tax for four year. I'm shock hmm

But apparently it's cheaper than going to university, so that's alright hmm

DoJo Thu 11-Jun-15 21:05:57

I'm not sure how it would be an incentive to not let the debt build up - surely there would come a point where someone would wonder what the point of getting a job is as they are already in significant debt which they can keep adding to so long as they stay out of work.

TaliZorahVasNormandy Thu 11-Jun-15 21:19:27

People voted for these idiots so their children didnt have to shoulder the debt, well these idiots want them to shoulder it on a more personal level.

Careful who you vote for.

ollieplimsoles Thu 11-Jun-15 21:20:05

Half brained scheme full of holes... I'm surprised no.one has mentioned the scrapping of maternity pay to be replaced with 'baby bonus' mentioned in this article too!

meditrina Thu 11-Jun-15 21:25:26

Other than their constituents, people didn't vote for 'these idiots' as this is not Tory policy.

Bit like Tam Dalyell and cronies never spoke for the Labour Party.

waitaminutenow Thu 11-Jun-15 21:42:53

Seriously....what is wrong with people....I have worked since I was 14!! Never ever struggled to find a job and I am 30 now!! Young people today either think they are too good for a job or if the job isn't a 2min walk within they're hometown then its too much bother. Cmon a single, childlesd young person has NO excuse not to be in work...end of!!

PeppermintCrayon Thu 11-Jun-15 21:43:07

What the actual fuck? Benefits are a loan! To the government in the form of tax and NI!

Radiatorvalves Thu 11-Jun-15 22:00:51

This is not policy...I would be surprised if it went beyond being a controversial idea.

ilovesooty Thu 11-Jun-15 22:03:12

waitaminutenow what a load of utter tripe.

OurMiracle1106 Thu 11-Jun-15 22:06:09

Young people have no reason not to work? So when due to epilepsy which was severely uncontrolled, issues with my ovaries, passing out, severe stomach pains and heart issues at 18 I should have been working then? I had worked weekends and done sixth form during the week until that point.

DrCoconut Thu 11-Jun-15 22:07:28

Could make workfare interesting. Clean up dog mess and we'll lend you a few quid confused. As for scrapping maternity and paternity pay, well I'm lost for words really. How to turn the clock back to 1915 rather than 2015.

waitaminutenow Thu 11-Jun-15 22:16:20

Ourmiracle1106....I was waiting for a post like yours!OBVIOUSLY....if you can't work due to ill health etc its a different ballgame!! And ilovesooty...not tripe...not tripe at all!!

TheFairyCaravan Thu 11-Jun-15 22:17:58

I'm sick of reading the absolute bollox that waitaminute has posted about young people. That's the complete rubbish that the Daily Mail readers write in the comments.

I've got 2 sons. DS1 started work at 16, while he was still at school as did the majority of his friends. He worked that job until the day before he joined the army at 19. If he leaves at the end of his 4 years (he doesn't plan to) he'lol be 23 and might need to claim JSA. Why should he have to pay it back? He hasn't been sat on his arse.

DS2 is going to uni in September to do adult nursing. He's had a job since he was 16, too. He works a lot of extra hours over the holidays.

Young people do want to work and ime they do work.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost Thu 11-Jun-15 22:20:51

So to have worked since I was sixteen our miracle and wait.
However I don't class myself as better than those that have never had a job just luckier.
There but for the grace of God and all that.

WinterOfOurDiscountTents15 Thu 11-Jun-15 22:26:22

It's not a plan, or a policy. Its just ideas in a book. Bad ideas, in a bad book, but why borrow trouble? It isn't going to happen, its unworkable anyway.

RebootYourEngine Fri 12-Jun-15 07:08:58

Did anyone see the link to another story about cutting tax credits for working families because they want to make work pay. How does that work then? Unless they are going to increase the minimum wage by a few pounds employers arent going to voluntarily pay people more. And full time jobs seem to be dwindling.

This government are fucking clueless.

FayKorgasm Fri 12-Jun-15 07:41:26

Young people get a very raw deal. Minimum wage,zero hour contract jobs. No hope of moving out. I don't know where you live wait but where I live fulltime jobs are few and far between. But yeah lets kick them when they are down eh.
If this silly idea of lending benefits becomes reality what about pensioners who have never paid tax? Do they get off scott free? Or shall we just reopen the workhouses?

BMW6 Fri 12-Jun-15 07:54:35

Frothing over nothing. This is ONE Tory's idea, not Government policy. The proposed cut to working family tax credits mentioned above is an idea mooted by the Institute for Fiscal Studies - an independant body, again NOT Government policy.

Hundreds of ideas are promoted by all sorts - hardly any will be taken up by Government, let alone get through the House.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost Fri 12-Jun-15 09:00:17

No, Reboot. They're not clueless. They're wicked.
Clueless people at least have some passion
But someone voted them in or didn't vote them out

Myricales Fri 12-Jun-15 09:12:26

It's interesting that if you were to point to the frothing of the hard left of the Labour party as a reason to not vote Labour, people would say "calm down, that doesn't, and never will, represent Labour policy" (when, ironically, 1983 shows that entryists actually can dictate policy). While when some lunatic Tory thinktank comes up with a half-baked idea that boils down to "Look At Me" (I mean, Liz Truss? Seriously? For people who find Bill Cash too measured and rational, presumably?) there's a sudden outburst of "well if you vote Tory this is what you will get".

Truss is a self-publicising fool who will say anything to be on TV; like Katie Hopkins filtered through a PPE degree. Kwasi Kwarteng (of whom the best one can say is "who he?") is a very smart guy but at that "look at me! look at me!" stage of his political career. His PhD looks interesting, now I come to look him up: The political thought of the recoinage crisis of 1695-7. They are about as relevant to Tory thought as Jeremy Corbyn and Kate Hoey are to Labour.

Moreisnnogedag Fri 12-Jun-15 09:31:25

I hate it when newspapers print things like this - it's daily mail-esque. Drumming up fear and panic.

As said much better before, this is based on a think tank book the whole point of which is to think of radical ideas for change. It's not government policy, it's not being put in front of parliament, it's there to spark ideas and talking. The papers do their readers a disservice reporting it like its going to be a policy soon.

knittingdad Fri 12-Jun-15 09:40:54

I think that, in general, you would hope that a young person would repay any benefits they receive, by getting a good job and paying taxes.

If this was a way of repackaging the social security system so that it could be used to win public support for more generous benefits, because the expectation is that it will be repaid, then I think that would be a great thing.

Most people work for most of their lives and the help we provide when they need it shouldn't be as stingy as JSA is.

I think this is an interesting idea, but I still prefer the idea of a citizen's income.

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