To think EU residents living in the UK should have a say?

(112 Posts)
TheColdDoesBotherMeAnyway Thu 28-May-15 07:57:58

People like my dh, who has lived here for 15 years and pays into the UK economy, are not going to be given the chance to vote in the upcoming referendum. There are 1.5 million EU citizens living in this country, contributing to our economy, who are not going to get a say in their own future. Aibu to think that this is grossly unfair?

(There is a petition on change.org but I don't think I'm allowed to link to it on here?)

NRomanoff Thu 28-May-15 08:19:42

Why hasn't he become a citizen? genuine question.

GoodbyeToAllOfThat Thu 28-May-15 08:22:05

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, do they? I suppose we know how EU residents living in the UK feel.

If you want to vote, you should become a citizen.

GoodbyeToAllOfThat Thu 28-May-15 08:22:54

I should have said, "EU citizens".

PenelopePitstops Thu 28-May-15 08:24:11

Agree with pposters. If you want to vote, become a citizen.

Where do you draw the line? Someone who moved into the country a week ago deserves to vote? Someone who has worked here for a year? Month?

ThroughThickAndThin01 Thu 28-May-15 08:24:18

Yabu

queensansastark Thu 28-May-15 08:27:40

YABVU

TiggieBoo Thu 28-May-15 08:28:47

No, they shouldn't. If you want a say, become a citizen. Was he equally bothered about not voting in the past 3 general elections, which also count a s having a say in your future?
I would hate for a Yes vote to be marred by allegations that it was swayed by the votes of EU citizens.

glenthebattleostrich Thu 28-May-15 08:29:08

YABU.

TheColdDoesBotherMeAnyway Thu 28-May-15 08:29:16

Someone on the electoral role who pays council tax seems like a clear requirement to me - so obviously not someone who has been here a week hmm

Up until now it hasn't been worth the £1000 that it costs, plus all the hoops to jump through NRoman to be honest.

UK nationals living in the EU will be allowed to vote - also 'turkeys' by your description Goodbye

queensansastark Thu 28-May-15 08:30:28

And entitled.

Now waiting for someone sanctimonious to coming along with some predictable "human rights" argument...

TheColdDoesBotherMeAnyway Thu 28-May-15 08:30:48

He would like to have voted in the GE and always votes in local and European elections. In fact this GE was the first time he'd seriously considered citizenship.

OddBoots Thu 28-May-15 08:32:49

I want to stay in and including those people will help turn the vote that way but I don't think non-British citizens should get a vote.

This vote is what the British people want to do, not about if other Europeans think we should stay or not.

The government know that if the vote looks like it isn't actually about what the British people want it won't satisfy those who have put pressure on about having it in the first place.

WidowWadman Thu 28-May-15 08:33:51

There's another thread about this, too. I agree, and think it would have been more just to use the electoral roll used for European elections, as ultimately it is a European matter.

To those asking why he doesn't just take citizenship - to do that you have to spend around 1200 quid all in, attend a language test, a life in the UK test and a ceremony (3 days of annual leave) which is not easy for everyone. The process is long winded, dealing with a government agency which has hopelessly outdated processes and is unwilling to even allow you to track the progress of your application and takes months. If they make mistake, you can add further time and cost to rectify.

Also, currently EU nationals have the right to settle in any member state, so many felt that they didn't need to make that expense, so why should they.

I've taken UK citizenship last year, because the thought of a referendum and the growing anti-EU and anti-immigrant propaganda started to scare the life out of me. Many of my fellow EU migrant friends thought I was overreacting, but are now looking into applying themselves. The system couldn't cope before there was a particular run, I expect it will be even worse if there is an increased number of applications from scared EU migrants.

WidowWadman Thu 28-May-15 08:34:56

Odd boots under GE rules plenty of non British citizens can vote, namely those from the commonwealth.

DorothyL Thu 28-May-15 08:37:34

I am in the same position. I have not become a UK citizen because I didn't want to give up my other nationality, which I would have had to do, and because I thought we were one Europe so I thought it didn't matter. I have lived here for 17 years, own a house, my children are British citizens, I pay taxes... Yes I think I should be allowed to vote in the referendum and in general elections.

lljkk Thu 28-May-15 08:38:37

I got citizenship so that I could vote. It was my number one reason after living here almost 20 yrs.

Is he prepared to swear an oath of loyalty to the crown, or that meaningless to him anyway?

He might have to renounce his other nationalisty/ies (may be required). Getting rights of a citizen is supposed to be a big deal.

lljkk Thu 28-May-15 08:40:50

If paying taxes is all that matters to being able to vote, then I guess people who don't pay tax shouldn't be allowed to vote? (We're going to go around the houses with same arguments from other thread).

Narks me hugely that people want to make citizenship so trivial and a mere tax-investment matter.

WidowWadman Thu 28-May-15 08:41:00

Under EU regs one member state can't deny a citizen dual nationality of another memberstate anymore, although it might be that not all have implemented that yet. Germany did in 2007, allowing me to retain my German citizenship.

I'd urge anyone who feels strongly about this to write to their MP about this - easiest way to contact them is theyworkforyou.com

lljkk Thu 28-May-15 08:43:08

if you aren't a citizen, do you have an MP? MPs aren't accountable to ineligible voters.

TheColdDoesBotherMeAnyway Thu 28-May-15 08:43:51

He's thinking along the same lines as you Dorothy, and that it may be an advantage to our children in the future to have dual nationality.

And yes if it's about 'entitlement' - yes, after all these years of contributing to the UK economy shouldn't he be 'entitled' to have a say in the government in charge of that economy?

WidowWadman Thu 28-May-15 08:45:22

Iljk that people don't treat citizenship as a trivial matter is exactly the reason why a lot of them have not applied, as the right to free movement was plenty enough to settle anywhere in the EU. Now this right should be taken away from them years after they made their home perfectly legally in the UK (or in the case of UK nationals somewhere within the EU/outside the UK for more than 15 years) without being allowed a say narks.

TheColdDoesBotherMeAnyway Thu 28-May-15 08:45:45

That's an interesting point Iljkk - there aren't any easy answers to that one

WidowWadman Thu 28-May-15 08:48:21

Iijlk - MPs are to look after anyone resident in their constituency, not only after those eligible to vote, so under 18s, or non UK citizens can write to them too of course. It'd be a scary place if those who aren't eligible to vote for whatever reason would not have any representation at all.

Alisvolatpropiis Thu 28-May-15 08:48:31

Yabu and this topic is currently the subject of an on going thread.

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