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To be quite angry about proposed changes to 3-4yo childcare- only for ALL working parents?

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AcademicOwl Thu 28-May-15 07:29:21

Ok, Queen's speech.
Proposal to increase 'free'* childcare to 30hrs for 3-4 year olds.

BUT only if all parents working.

As I understand, the current provision for 3-4 yo there are no caveats re parents working. So ok for SAHMs & SAHDs. Gives children chance to socialise pre-school, parents to find feet again and possibly find work.

I've got 2 DC under 5, and worked 3 days a week, so understand costs of childcare (I.e. Two in childcare = more than I earn by about £200pcm). Expecting DC 3 in Oct, so was considering a year out on a career break... Help make costs manageable, support family whilst they are titchy, etc. but DC 2 prob wouldn't be eligible for 'free' childcare if I do that.

Can't help but feel this is discriminating against SAHPs & again undervaluing the importance of parenting choices and the family unit...

What'd you want to bet they'll remove current 'free' provision?

*'free' because in our patch it isn't. The nursery work out how much money it contributes to your monthly bill, then you have to make up difference.and, yes, they are allowed to do that... I investigated at length a couple of years ago.


WipsGlitter Thu 28-May-15 07:33:16

I'm not sure what your point is. You think the free childcare will now be removed for you as you are going to be a sahp and it will only be available if both parents are working?

fiveacres Thu 28-May-15 07:37:35

It is because if a family have made a choice to have a parent at home, then that is to care for the child or children and this paid childcare is not seen to be needed.

Kampeki Thu 28-May-15 07:40:11

Why would a sahp need free childcare? confused

Wobblystraddle Thu 28-May-15 07:40:38

If I didn't need to for childcare-while-working purposes, I don't think I'd want any cd of mine to be in nursery/preschool setting for anything like 30 hours. That's pretty much full time hours away from dc when you're not working. For most people I'd imagine that's neither necessary nor desirable.

OddBoots Thu 28-May-15 07:40:46

I've got my concerns about the 30h too but I don't think they will remove the universal 15h, it is seen as important for 'school readiness'.

GoodbyeToAllOfThat Thu 28-May-15 07:41:36

You are being incredibly unreasonable.

Gorgeously Thu 28-May-15 07:42:42

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

nequidnimis Thu 28-May-15 07:42:56

You'll still get the existing 15hrs pw provision, just not the extension according the the Guardian.

To be fair, I'd rather the money was being targeted at working parents. If you're a SAHM you don't have the same need for childcare surely?

candlesandlight Thu 28-May-15 07:43:41

As a previous sahm I feel that govt policies are not sahm friendly especially the unfairness of child benefit.

Silentelf Thu 28-May-15 07:44:11

I think it won't come into effect until 2017. So even if you have a year out of work you'll be back by then so dc2 will still benefit

MrsHathaway Thu 28-May-15 07:44:44

The evidence base is that the funded provision is to support the child, not the parents. Not childcare, but EYFS.

Introducing a condition on working shows that they don't care.

DH works full time. I work 5h/w. Would we qualify? It isn't clear.

birdling Thu 28-May-15 07:44:51

Pre-school (3 + 4 yo) 15 hours isn't for child care, it's for early years education, so that won't be removed.

And yes, if your children are at nursery, and are there for more than the 15 hours, you will get charged the difference...... not sure if this is what you meant, but that's to be expected.

DocHollywood Thu 28-May-15 07:45:59

How will nurseries keep going? And I think it should be means tested e.g. Household income under 30k. The limit I think is 200k, bizarre

NRomanoff Thu 28-May-15 07:46:03

Yabu. The 15 free hours will still stand. But it will be increased to 30 for working parents. Why does a sahp need 30 hours free childcare? Why would the government provide 30 hours free childcare for someone not going to work?

This is the problem with things like this. They are damned if they do and damned of they don't. People were saying they wanted more free childcare, so they do it. People now moaning that sahp won't get the extra hours. If you are a sahp, that's what you are. Its not discrimination. You don't need the 30 hours.

Stopandlook Thu 28-May-15 07:46:08

Yabu (extremely) and not helping the cause of wahm either.

MrsHathaway Thu 28-May-15 07:47:06

Crossed with ne quid. I agree, then. Still want to know what will qualify as "working". Self employed?

Kampeki Thu 28-May-15 07:47:42

Actually, I'm confused. Are you concerned that they will remove the right to 15 hours of childcare for SAHPs (which hasn't been discussed, as far as I know), or are you annoyed that you won't be entitled to the additional 15 hours that families with 2 WOHPs will get?

If the former, I understand your concerns to some extent. I think some kids probably do benefit from a bit of time in nursery at that age. If the latter, I genuinely don't get your issue, because a SAHP surely doesn't need 30 hours of free childcare.

GoodbyeToAllOfThat Thu 28-May-15 07:48:20

You do know that the point of free childcare is to remove barriers to work - not to be nice?

Stopandlook Thu 28-May-15 07:48:27

And the government clearly want all women to work - but that isn't a surprise to anyone educated on their policy is it?

Superexcited Thu 28-May-15 07:48:50

I'm a SAHM and I think you are being unreasonable. Your children do not need to be in childcare if you are not working. You could take them to toddler groups if you are concerned about socialisation as you have the time to do that.
I'm not sure I even agree with non working parents having 15 free hours as it isn't necessary and just removes the responsibility for socialising ones child from the parent and onto the govt at huge cost. Only children who have SN or a family member who is disabled need 15 free hours if the parents are not working.

WaferInMyCoffee Thu 28-May-15 07:49:15

I think you are confusing childcare with early education.

A child with one parent at home doesn't need 30 hours childcare, they have their parent to care for them. As I understand it, the 15 hours free early education will still be available for all children, but those needing childcare around that (ie if parents are working) can be eligible for free childcare to help get them back into work.

It's like th difference between school (education) and breakfast club / after school club (childcare)

Two different things. I cannot understand how a stay at home parent could justify needing childcare for their child on a regular basis.

fiveacres Thu 28-May-15 07:49:29

Doc, that would mean two parents each earning £15,000 p/a.

Hardly a fortune.

Household income of what, £1700 pm? Of which around £700 at least would go on a nursery place if it all had to come out of the parents' pocket. Leaving £1000 for rent or mortgage, council tax, petrol, groceries, clothes, shoes, insurance and so on?

I repeat: a fortune it isn't. You'd get more as a single parent who doesn't work.

NRomanoff Thu 28-May-15 07:49:31

And also its 15 hours free. So how you describe the nursery situation os completely reasonable. Why you are mad it, I can't work out.

Ds was in a private nursery, 2 days a week. We moved him to a school nursery where he gets 15 hours a week, free. He gets 5 mornings. He will go to that school in September. The free 15 hours is for the kids, not for the parents to find work. Its incredibly hard to find a job that lasts 1.5 hours in the morning or afternoon.

ChuffinAda Thu 28-May-15 07:49:57

Its about time working parents got something to help them with childcare.

Surely the point of being a sahm is that you don't use or need childcare??

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