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To think most people are Center Left Or Right in Politics.

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SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:10:30

I would say that around 90% of people are either centre left or right.

I would say this is the biggest problem in politics today.

SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:12:29

Because their is little choice between the main parties and even SNP and the Greens are relatively centre.

SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:15:14


MaidOfStars Wed 27-May-15 11:19:15

Well, yes.

PtolemysNeedle Wed 27-May-15 11:20:07

I think most people are quite centre, but I don't think that's because of the parties. I think the parties have become that way in response to most people wanting a good balance between the right and the left.

HirplesWithHaggis Wed 27-May-15 11:22:56

I'd agree that most people probably are fairly centrist, with leanings in one direction or the other, but the two main parties are both right-leaning and I see that as more of a problem. In Scotland we also have the new coalition of the left, so that'll present a bit more variety in 2016.

SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:23:14

Ptolemeys I agree but leaves people like me without a voice in a significant party.

DinosaursRoar Wed 27-May-15 11:23:43

why is this a problem? Surely "we're all pretty much agreed on the fundementials and just really arguing about the tinkering at the edges" is better than the extremes? The last century tried various extremes, generally people don't like them in this country.

There are parties out there that do offer batshit crazy extreme left and right politics, but the majority of the British public aren't interested.

MaidOfStars Wed 27-May-15 11:23:46

I would say this is the biggest problem in politics today
I think it's a reflection of a system that has undergone fine tuning.

I'd rather be scrapping about whether winter fuel allowance should be means-tested than fighting for the abolition of capital punishment/right to access abortion/decriminalisation of gay people/etc.

Do you want a revolution? grin

SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:24:32

I suppose people that share my views are in such a tiny minority that I will never have a voice in mainstream politics.

SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:26:02

Yes I do want a revolution like ( I'm of the same politics of Russell brand).

DinosaursRoar Wed 27-May-15 11:28:27

Sassy - x posted with you. If you have minority views, then you won't be represented by a major party if most people don't agree with you.

There are smaller parties, they could get larger if most people agreed with your politics. Perhaps it's worth just accepting that most people don't agree with you so your view point will never be the one that governs the UK unless a dictatorship imposes a government on the UK that the citizens wouldn't chose.

MaidOfStars Wed 27-May-15 11:28:36

What kind of views do you want represented?

I guess you would argue for a PR voting system? Do you feel that would give you a voice?

VelvetRose Wed 27-May-15 11:29:02

Can you explain to me what his general politics is please Sassy? I like RB but got a bit confused by some of his political rants of late.

MaidOfStars Wed 27-May-15 11:30:55

Russell Brand came out for Labour in the end? Is it his 'politics' or his criticism of the system that you support (I'm not actually sure what his 'politics' are)?

SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:35:26

I want a revolution in which Britain becomes a socialist republic ( like scandanavian nations.

VelvetRose Wed 27-May-15 11:36:23

Didn't he advise young people not to vote and then, when it was too late to register told them to vote labour?

Gottagetmoving Wed 27-May-15 11:41:26

I used to be centre left but I think I am more Left than anything now since the right wing have become more bloody Right wing with their treatment of the vulnerable people in this society and their greed for the few.

VelvetRose Wed 27-May-15 11:44:46

Well I will say that there seems much to be admired about Scandinavia. Great education, much more gender equality in terms of representation in parliament and very generous maternity rights. I've never lived there though so can't vouch for it personally!

1Morewineplease Wed 27-May-15 11:47:06

I'm a all for a little bit more socialism as I feel that in this day and age we have far more groups of people feeling marginalised than ever before but I'm not so sure about the "Republic" bit Sassy... Do you mean as in no monarchy?

SassyMother Wed 27-May-15 11:50:51

No monarchy is what I mean.

MaidOfStars Wed 27-May-15 11:54:57

We have the same system (constitutional monarchy) as Notway/Sweden/Denmark (not sure about Finland).

DinosaursRoar Wed 27-May-15 11:56:34

Well, there is a socialist party in the UK. They just don't have many people agreeing with them.

I don't like socialism as a political theory, I don't like trying to make outcomes equal for all people, I do believe in making opportunities equal, but equality of outcomes doesn't appeal at all to me, nor will it to be bulk of the UK, it's been tried, most people don't agree.

Most people do agree with a more central view of creating equal opportunities, how that is managed and how much/which advantages should be removed is the niggles that different parties have different policies on, but generally, most parties who are successful are the ones offering people what they want.

PtolemysNeedle Wed 27-May-15 12:02:10

So what you're basically saying is that democracy is the problem?

DinosaursRoar Wed 27-May-15 12:03:35

Maid - was about to say that! Swedish people I've met are terrible proud of their Royals. (which do seem a far more sensible lot than ours)

Finland doesn't have a Monarchy (they used to come under the Russian one), but they have actually had serious consideration for creating one/reinstating one.

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