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To dislike The Guardian almost as much as the Mail at the moment

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fiveacres Tue 19-May-15 16:36:10

Perhaps I am BU as I rarely read it these days so feel free to tell me I'm wrong.

The Independent was always the newspaper of choice in our house growing up, but when I started buying newspapers myself I read the Guardian and also many books by some of its prominent writers.

I honestly can't work out if it's that I've changed and grown older and shifting into my mid thirties cynicism after the ideals of my youth, but it just seems so incredibly sullen, complaining and despairing yet without presenting any salient solutions. It also appears very patronising against those it seeks to defend.

As a result, I've started reading The Independent.

Has anyone else stopped reading it of late? I'm genuinely interested as to whether this is my state of mind or not - in other words, has it got worse or have I become more jaded? And AIBU to place it in the same category as The Mail?!

mrsfuzzy Tue 19-May-15 16:40:02

reading the independent ? a much better choice - the guardian is a bog standard lefty paper along with the red top rubbish.

mijas99 Tue 19-May-15 16:44:22

YANBU - the Guardian is full of Oxbridge educated daddy-funded interns who treat the working class as something to be conserved and protected, a little like how Victorian upper class women would patronise the poor

There are a few exceptions among its journos, but I just feel that they are way out of touch with the people they want to stick up for, a bit like the labour party. No longer about the working class, now it is just the de-facto choice for middle class public workers

JamNan Tue 19-May-15 16:45:45

I got bored with it especially during the run up to the election and their the editor's support for Cleggie. The comments section is exasperating but I still enjoy reading some of the great journalists who work on the titles like Marina Hyde and Polly Toynbee and two of course the best cartoonists around - Steve Bell and Martin Rowson.


But you are BU to place it in the same category as the Daily Fail wink

Happybodybunny12 Tue 19-May-15 16:48:13

Nope agree they are both biased and ridiculous.

Surprised anyone bothers with a newspaper now really. Waste of money.

fiveacres Tue 19-May-15 16:49:26

Well, I "read" on the iPad. I do rather miss the days of idly leafing through on the way to work, though smile

LurkingHusband Tue 19-May-15 16:56:15

I gave up print newspapers years ago. I now rely on various sites (BBC, hobby forums, news alerts) to keep me informed. As long as there's a spread, you can be more well informed than someone who reads a paper. It also gives you a chance to determine where editorial bias lies. It's not unusual to see a story in one source that's never mentioned in another - quite funny should it become bigger news.

grumpysquash Tue 19-May-15 16:59:08

Well.....I wouldn't put it in the same category as the Mail.

I have bought the Sat Guardian almost every week for a couple of decades, but would say it's getting a bit 'meh'. Some of the columnists are just boring, or (worse) think they are the only person ever to have done whatever it is they're writing about (babies, eating disorders, the joy of moving out of London etc etc <yawn>). The election coverage was tedious sad

But in the absence of good stuff to read, I've got a lot better at the Killer Sudoku LOL

Cherriesandapples Tue 19-May-15 16:59:25

Yuk Polly Toynbee! Someone who thinks they know all about "the poor" from their posh London flat / wine bar. I wish she would spend a month working in Housing/A&E or some other frontline service in inner London. She would change her tune.

OTheHugeManatee Tue 19-May-15 16:59:57

YANBU. The Guardian is an awful blend of self-righteousness and middle class condescension.

fiveacres Tue 19-May-15 17:01:34

I rather liked Polly Toynbee at one point. My Dad couldn't stand her and would splutter about champagne socialists whenever I mentioned her.

As I've aged, I agree with him smile

GoodbyeToAllOfThat Tue 19-May-15 17:01:37

I totally agree with you, but I can't trust my judgement because I have become far more conservative myself in the past five years - I moved into an area that can only be described as a social experiment gone wrong. I was a Guardian reader before but now I really can't bear it.

Dawndonnaagain Tue 19-May-15 17:02:02

the Guardian is full of Oxbridge educated daddy-funded interns
I do wonder how Jack Monro and Owen Jones parents managed this, along with Charlie Brooker, Decca Aitkinhead et al.
Some went to Oxbridge, some didn't. None are 'daddy-funded interns'.

fiveacres Tue 19-May-15 17:02:27

In fairness to her Cherries, she did, after a fashion - did a Pulp's Common People and did a variety of minimum wage jobs whilst living in a council flat.

museumum Tue 19-May-15 17:04:54

I think the online version has waaay too much comment.
The paper version only has the best of the columnists and more international news.
I think it doesn't quite know what it is in the Internet world and chases clicks too much sad

sparkysparkysparky Tue 19-May-15 17:05:04

Try the Telegraph. It is a tabloid posing as a broadsheet. You get to see what (in my case) your political opposite is thinking. I don't feel as worn down by it as I do by the Guardian.

ILYBAE2015 Tue 19-May-15 17:05:34

If you ran your own paper, would you not get it to reflect your views?

I expect they will all lean in their own directions and dip in and out of all of them to see things from different sides. Some days my views will agree with some of theirs, some days with none.

GoodbyeToAllOfThat Tue 19-May-15 17:14:20

If you ran your own paper, would you not get it to reflect your views?

Sure, but I notice that Guardian readers tend to get very upset with Rupert Murdoch.

OTheHugeManatee Tue 19-May-15 17:15:25

IMO the Grauniad has become every bit as shrill and one-sided as the Mail. The only difference is that rather than shrieking about things that are outrageous to caravan owning Middle Englanders, it shrieks about things that are outrageous to second home owning North Londoners grin

ChuffinAda Tue 19-May-15 17:20:33


Someone mentioned Jack Monro, she makes my teeth itch. She's a grammar school educated typical leftie who loves the sound of her own voice. Not a fan of her or other reporters like her.

sparkysparkysparky Tue 19-May-15 17:21:32

Exactly, manatee. It's like Coldplay (sorry Coldplay fans)- self righteous, self important and humourless. And did I say 'dull'?

niminypiminy Tue 19-May-15 17:21:42

"I wish Polly Toynbee would spend a month working in Housing/A&E..."

She did. And she wrote a book about her experiences in minimum wage jobs. It's called Hard Work:life in low-pay Britain.

MurielWoods Tue 19-May-15 17:22:03

YANBU but The Independent is becoming just as bad imo.

Is there such a thing as a balanced 'neutral' newspaper nowadays?

fiveacres Tue 19-May-15 17:23:25

Yes, yes Manatee grin

PT did indeed; I have a battered copy knocking about somewhere. It is very interesting to read and makes salient points.

BusyCee Tue 19-May-15 17:27:35

I gave up with the Grauniad several years ago when I realised that every single sodding item in their fashion pages is unattainable priced for the majority working in the public sector. Made me feel hugely disenfranchised and perceive their writers to be patronising and out of touch. Haven't gone back, obvs.

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