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JazzAnnNonMouse Thu 29-Jan-15 08:22:58

What happens if the leader of a party doesn't get elected as an mp?

What do all other mp candidate that don't win do for the next 5 years (especially the career politicians)

What do career politicians who stop being politicians do in general (not the famous ones like borris and tony Blair)

JazzAnnNonMouse Thu 29-Jan-15 08:23:43

When they've stopped being mps

taxi4ballet Thu 29-Jan-15 08:27:14

1. The party has to elect another leader

2. They carry on with the lucrative directorships & consultancies they have already

JazzAnnNonMouse Thu 29-Jan-15 08:35:38

What if they don't have consultancies etc?

fredfredgeorgejnr Thu 29-Jan-15 08:38:35

The party can keep the same leader, they need to find a new PM though for the country, but that would likely be temporary while someone in a safe seat suddenly found they needed to spend more time with their family, so the leader could stand in the by election.

TheTravellingLemon Thu 29-Jan-15 08:53:14

1. Leaders of parties normally represent safe seats and due to the increased amount of publicity they get, they are normally successful. If they are not there is nothing theoretically to stop them being leader, but in practice they would resign as failure to win an election is central to their job description and a loss of a leader's seat would normally be indicative of a wider trouncing.

2. I sort of hate the term 'career politician' ans generally think its not as big a problem as the media would ahve us believe.Candidates don't get paid to stand at elections so they will normally have a job at the time of standing. I think the term comes from the fact that more and more MPs have a related background. That is, fewer businessmen, more communications specialists for example.

The bigger problem for me is that there is still a big problem with diversity of race, class and gender.

3. They generally go into communications or get an advisory role somewhere.

BJ and TB are not career politicians. BJ was a journalist and TB was a lawyer.

JazzAnnNonMouse Thu 29-Jan-15 09:41:45

What's 'communications' ?

ghostyslovesheep Thu 29-Jan-15 09:44:21

our ex MP is a friend - he continues to work for the party (he's retired - in his 70's) and his wife is a local councillor

but they are both old school and did it because they believed (and believe) in what the party stands for - not as a career

DoraGora Thu 29-Jan-15 09:49:55

Becomes interesting if the party is so small that it has no safe seats. In general small parties change their leaders quite regularly.

limitedperiodonly Thu 29-Jan-15 09:54:52

I sort of hate the term 'career politician' ans generally think its not as big a problem as the media would ahve us believe.

I agree with TravellingLemon. My friend is a backbench MP. Before he won his seat - to which he has close ties going back 20 years - he was a teacher and involved in local politics.

He campaigns on education and children's welfare issues because he knows what he's talking about.

If he loses in May, which is possible, I guess he'll go back to teaching.

He has a nice life but he's not exactly coining it.

TheTravellingLemon Thu 29-Jan-15 09:57:04

jazz it's a bit of a catch-all really. Roles either in house or in consultancy that involve improving interaction with government. Often referred to as lobbying, but in practice it's much broader than this.

ihavenonameonhere Thu 29-Jan-15 10:15:12

My BF friend who is an MP was a tax accountant before and if he loses in May he will go back to that.

Dawndonnaagain Thu 29-Jan-15 10:24:27

I've known a few MPs. They go back to their original business or take up new posts involving campaigning/public relations/lobbying. If they started in business posts, they take directorships etc.

LineRunner Thu 29-Jan-15 10:27:22

If they are sitting MPs and they lose their seats they now get very significant payouts, including a big tax free sum for themelves, plus a generous pension.

SilentCharisma Thu 29-Jan-15 12:11:25

Sorry, off-topic I love your name TheTravellingLemon. I love that episode too!

TheTravellingLemon Thu 29-Jan-15 12:29:23

Thanks SilentCharisma I'm a big fan too smile

I'm always a little bit tempted to announce my presence on a thread by saying 'the lemon is on play' grin

RandyGiles Thu 29-Jan-15 12:29:42

*in

Balletballyflats Thu 29-Jan-15 12:34:51

I'm always amazed that non career politicians ever stand - it's a crap job, shit hours, crap pay, not secure and highly public, dealing with other people's shite.

JazzAnnNonMouse Thu 29-Jan-15 12:57:28

Do they just say to their employers oh I may or may not be back for a bit (however long election campaign takes) and if I'm not then I may or may not be back in 5 years?

limitedperiodonly Thu 29-Jan-15 13:23:54

Some employers kick up a fuss about you taking time off for dental appointments in work time OP, so I'd expect most to decline a request to keep a job open for a 5-year rolling plan.

DrDre Thu 29-Jan-15 13:38:20

The Prime Minister has to be a member of the House of Commons I believe, so any party with serious aspirations of winning a general election will need it's leader to be a MP - unless they have a different party leader and Prime Minister, which is unlikely.
This is true of some other cabinet posts e.g. the Chancellor. Other ministers can come from the Lords, in which case the Prime Minister creates a seat in the Lords for you and gives you a ministerial job.
The issue with "career politicians" I believe refers to people who go straight from University (where they probably did PPE) to working as a special advisor for a minister, and then onto being a MP.

TheTravellingLemon Thu 29-Jan-15 13:43:01

The MPs I know had their position held open for the duration of the campaign but if they are not re elected in May will not be returning to the same job.

Also you're skills change while you are serving. You learn an awful lot, especially if you sit on a committee of some description or has specific issues arise on your constituency.

I agree ballet. For a lot of people committing to working in London it's a significant pay cut, not to mention that you face the ordeal of being potentially very publicly sacked every five years.

On the whole MPs are a hard working bunch who really want to do the best for the constituents. There are a few bad apples and I'm not saying that's not a problem, but there is in any profession.

TheTravellingLemon Thu 29-Jan-15 13:44:06

*your. Bloody phone is making me mad.

DrDre Thu 29-Jan-15 13:46:41

Yes I'm amazed people want to go into Westminster politics. I can think of nothing worse than having to put a suit on on a Sunday morning, travel to a TV studio, and get grilled by a Paxman type.

PoliticalWife Thu 29-Jan-15 13:50:14

My DH is standing for election this year.
He is self employed, so is 'simply' taking time off earning money in order to do political stuff. We're now starting to live off savings because he is not paid anything for anything political at this point- in fact it costs a lot. He has to go to lots of events which costs money (& buy raffle tickets!)

It will be a pay cut if he wins.
If he loses, he"ll go back to his self employed job.

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