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To think too little too late Ched

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KellyElly Thu 08-Jan-15 22:14:36

So he's apoligised. So what! He's done it to save his cater and nothing else. Piece of shit.

Empha14 Thu 08-Jan-15 22:20:22

He hasn't apologised for what he did. Just the fallout from it.

Knifey Thu 08-Jan-15 22:21:01

I have been having furious debates with (some) football fans who think poor old Ched has been victimised and agree with him that this wasn't rape. It has really affected me over the last few weeks, I've been as sickened by some of the things people have said to me as I am by what he did.

I actually think it was a pretty decent apology in the circumstances. He obviously hopes to get off still (you can't blame him for that, blame him for everything else, but it's only human nature to want a good outcome for himself) so he can't apologise for the rape. Within the bounds of what he can say, I think he did well and he's condemned his "supporters". What a shame he didn't do it weeks ago, because yes, too little too late.

SnowLondon Thu 08-Jan-15 22:22:41

Oldham have pulled out of the deal

Knifey Thu 08-Jan-15 22:26:00

Yes, the apology was issued after he saw his last hope of playing again disappear

AuntieStella Thu 08-Jan-15 22:27:35

"mob rule" FFS

As he believes he is constrained in what he can say and do until CCRB has ruled, I hope this means he'll not try (again) until that has been dealt with.

BBC have managed to avoid mentioning that no-one associated with OA has reported any threats to the police.

But they did mention that the head of the PFA likened this to Hillsborough.

Have the Hillsborough Association responded to that? Or LFC fans?

merrymouse Thu 08-Jan-15 22:30:15

Not particularly convinced by his apology - one of the people prosecuted for naming the victim online was his cousin and he still has dodgy comments about the victim on his website.

However, I think it's never too late to properly apologise, understand what you did wrong and take steps to make amends.

He just has a long way to go.

lemisscared Thu 08-Jan-15 22:32:39

i thought those exact words op.

ILovePud Thu 08-Jan-15 22:36:48

I hope his last hope of playing professionally has gone. However I think this is part of a rethink of his shit PR strategy and his team having studied some of the criticism of him over the past few weeks are having a change of tack. He now started to express some "remorse". I predict that when his latest attempt to appeal proves futile he'll lie low for a while, then try again. sad

The Hillsborough comparisons are despicable, WTF was Taylor thinking. What a load of fuckwits CE supporters are.

Knifey Thu 08-Jan-15 22:38:24

Taylor is an idiot. How he has managed to stay in the job for so long is beyond me. Every time I hear anything he says (on this or any other matter) I wonder why the players put up with him.

AWholeLottaNosy Thu 08-Jan-15 22:47:30

Hmmm he's had a website that misrepresents the facts of the case, his supporters has named the victim and she has been forced to change her identity. FIVE TIMES, had to move and was not able to spend Christmas with her father. He's apologised for the effects of that night, ' not least the effects on the victim', but still states he's innocent? Not really an apology IMO just PR advice he's been given. Still making himself out to be the victim. What about apologising for dishonestly getting the keys to the hotel room of his mate, after being told ' I've got a bird', bragging that he could get any girl in the club ( as he's a footballer), fucking a drunk, semi comatose girl, a few minutes after gaining access to the hotel room, escaping through a fire exit whilst his mates filmed his sexual assault through the window..???

MQv2 Fri 09-Jan-15 01:07:21

As someone who is against the notion of any official ban against him playing professional football, I completely agree with you.

I have heard the arguments as to why people believe he should be officially banned I just don't happen to agree that being a professional footballer should be a protected profession.
I'm delighted with the public/society driven approach that has happened of essentially "yes you have a right to seek employment, but we all have a right to disassociate with you"

So with regards of too little too late, it quite clearly smacks of opportunism.
He remained silent when his silence only negatively impacted his victim.
He claims due to legal advice
Nothing has changed/progressed in respect of his legal situation so how has his legal advice changed?
It hasn't. But now that his silence is affecting his ability to get a club he has spoken out. So people are quite rightly calling out this transparent publicity grab.

He doesn't give a fuck about the woman he raped so stayed silent.
He dies give a fuck about playing football so is now starting to toe the line.

pamish Fri 09-Jan-15 01:14:44

It's a playground apology - ' I'm sorry you're upset'. Not 'I'm sorry for any of my actions'.

He has cleaned up his (or Matthews') website, it contains confusing links to other things on it that are not there.
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PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange Fri 09-Jan-15 01:25:20

I think if he admitted his crime and stopped this women's torment by trying for a 3rd appeal and drove the message that no consent = no sexual contact or sex. I would no problem returning to a carrer where he is idolised.

pamish Fri 09-Jan-15 01:25:54

I wonder if he now has a moment or two of regret for that ten seconds of indulgence?
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wowfudge Fri 09-Jan-15 07:26:13

Sadly he will never apologise with any meaningfulness until he has exhausted the appeals process as he is maintaining his innocence. Part of me thinks he's done his time and should be rehabilitated, but then you find out more about the case and horrors his victim has been through since the attack and think he deserves all he gets.

DurhamDurham Fri 09-Jan-15 07:28:14

I think the main thing he apologised for was not being able to play football. No real remorse at all, he could have said this months ago but instead he waited until another deal had fallen through.

AuntieStella Fri 09-Jan-15 07:29:50

He could have said all that right from the moment he walked out of prison.

If apologising and starting to do the right thing was important to him, that is.

I did think he was beginning to right thing, briefly, yesterday. But his published comment about "mob rule" did away with that.

JapaneseMargaret Fri 09-Jan-15 07:51:33

I'm loving the idea that he had even a vague part of crafting that apology.

All done and fine-tuned to within an inch of its life by people far cleverer and more savvy than he will ever be.

saoirse31 Fri 09-Jan-15 08:03:19

so really he can't win. no matter what apology he ever makes you'll be saying not enough, too little to late etc.

for what it's worth from what ive read, I think he was convicted fairly. but I also think where do you stop with the trying to stop him working ever again? why don't you demand every released prisoner can never work again in their previous career? does every prisoner have to don sackcloth and ashes to demonstrate repentance? I may be wrong but I thought his sentence was X amount of time in prison not an order that he shouldn't play football again.

Thedancefloorsatemptress Fri 09-Jan-15 08:10:27

'Mob rule' my arse!!

His stupid girlfriend by his side, swinging her hand bag into oblivion!! Would you really stand by a man who had done that!!

He's only deciding to conform now because he realises that that shitty, insincere, scripted speech that he gave a couple of months back didn't acknowledge the victim. What an arsehole

merrymouse Fri 09-Jan-15 08:11:44

No a sincere apology backed up by action to make amends and a demonstration that he understood what he had done would go a long way.

He has served some of his sentence but has not yet shown any understanding of what he has done wrong. Yes he thinks he is innocent, but he has done nothing to demonstrate that his reasoning goes any further than "what I did wasn't wrong".

This is dangerous for us all and is made more dangerous if he is given public endorsement by being employed in a job that makes all its money from the active and loyal support of its fans.

Thedancefloorsatemptress Fri 09-Jan-15 08:14:41

saoirse nobody is saying that he can't return to A job.

As a footballer he is constantly in the public eye, broadcasted over various media, in newspapers etc.
He's been convicted of rape yet he still gets all the perks of having a successful footballing career. What message does that send out to our sons?

Not a particularly good one

EhricLovesTheBhrothers Fri 09-Jan-15 08:17:56

Until he acknowledges his guilt he can't be rehabilitated. He's still a rapist who thinks it's ok to rape. Employing him back as a highly paid professional footballer would just reinforce that view, therefore making him a dangerous person to be in the community.

tobysmum77 Fri 09-Jan-15 08:22:43

my opinion is that it is at least a start.

the girlfriend though - I mean why would you stand by him anyway? However you define it rape or not it's revolting behaviour.

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