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Charingcrossbun Tue 23-Dec-14 07:57:21

If Mary and Joseph are married then isn't it odd that she is a virgin?
Am I being ignorant? Was it a shotgun post preggo wedding? Or are they not married and she is a single mum?
Not questioning the religious side (or trying to be offensive) just wondering about their relationship?

Toadinthehole Tue 23-Dec-14 07:58:53


ClashCityRocker Tue 23-Dec-14 08:00:22

I thought this. Realistically, she wouldn't be a virgin.

Also, it's the lamest excuse in the world. Can you imagine that one on Jeremy Kyle....

'How can you be pregnant? We've not even had sex!'

'God put it there. It's the son of God'

Tis a good job they didn't have DNA testing in those days...

Lagoonablue Tue 23-Dec-14 08:04:22

It's a story........

ClashCityRocker Tue 23-Dec-14 08:05:13

Ah a quick google reveals they were betrothed when she found out she was preggers. And and angel came and bollocked Joseph into marrying her anyway.

And they had four other sons (no daughters though) together.

I wonder if she had morning sickness?

Charingcrossbun Tue 23-Dec-14 08:06:00

Thanks lagoon; I realise it's a story, I was just wondering if there was a reason given for her being a Virgin.

FayKorgasm Tue 23-Dec-14 08:06:39

How did she get on and off that donkey for all those pee breaks.

wigornian Tue 23-Dec-14 08:07:14

Pretty purile, and misinformed:

LUKE: "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary."

Joseph and Mary were engaged, not married at that time, Joseph was concerned about a scandal but by Gods grace all was well.

Furthermoe Jesus had half-siblings borne both to Mary and Joseph were married.

MardyBra Tue 23-Dec-14 08:09:39

"Not questioning the religious side (or trying to be offensive)"

That's a bit disingenuous isn't it. What exactly are you questioning then? Although I'm not religious but I think your thread is potentially offensive to those who are.

NorwaySpruce Tue 23-Dec-14 08:10:22

Did you not pay much attention in Religious Studies\world religion classes OP?

Tzibeleh Tue 23-Dec-14 08:10:36

It's a mistake in translation. The original Aramaic word simply means an unmarried woman.

Besides, they got married after the Annunciation.

The concept of illegitimacy being a baby born out of wedlock is a Christian idea. Before that, illegitimacy was only the result of an unlawful union, eg incest or adultery. Being ahead of your marriage vows was not actually that big a deal.

LaurieFairyCake Tue 23-Dec-14 08:12:30

The reason she was a Virgin was to show a supernatural event and bring faith to Joseph and challenge social mores etc.

God appeared to Mary so she believed, then the Spirit appeared to Joseph to tell him too.

It's a great story and I love it when it's done realistically in a play as people are no different back then as they are now.

God: voice from nowhere "you're having a baby that you heard about, that's coming to change things"

Mary: "fuck off, are you serious?!?!! I'm a virgin and Joseph will never believe that shit as we've barely spoken"!

God: "Alright, I'll send someone to have a chat, stop going on"


ClashCityRocker Tue 23-Dec-14 08:12:41

I think the most interesting question is whether Jesus was a Virgin.

It would be quite odd in the times, I think, to be an unmarried Jew? Particularly as the first born son.

I know I've probably read too much Dan Brown

NoLongerTheSeasonToBeJolly Tue 23-Dec-14 08:14:11

Not questioning the religious side (or trying to be offensive), yeah right. fhmm

Toadinthehole Tue 23-Dec-14 08:16:18

<serious>It was (I understand) unusual for a rabbi to be unmarried and Jesus was considered one. There are traditions that Jesus might have been married going right back to Biblical times: it isn't something dreamed up by Dan Brown or Leigh Baigent. However, they have always been contrast to the orthodox view</serious>.

wigornian Tue 23-Dec-14 08:17:34

Ah, Tzibeleh, yes, sorry you're right, I remember reading this a few years back, actually means "maiden" or something like that. smile Merry Christms all. fgrin

LaurieFairyCake Tue 23-Dec-14 08:18:56

Jesus was most likely married and had children. No Christian would have a problem with that. The problem is that in the past the Catholic Church thought people would have a problem with it so texts relating to it were kept quiet.

Toadinthehole Tue 23-Dec-14 08:25:26

That isn't really true. The predominance of early writings on Jesus doesn't support the view that he married and had kids. Every now and again, some book gets published that claims to have made some sensational discovery, but invariably they are based on texts that Biblical scholars have known about for decades or even centuries. There was one just the other week in fact.

There is a belief that right from the word go, the early church recognised Christ as God incarnate, therefore making it a bit wierd that he might have been married. In fact, it took the early church an age to work out just who they believed Christ was. If there had been a strong tradition that Christ was married, it would have been quite plausable for the early Church to accept that. Remember that Christianity is Judaism + Hellenism, and the Greeks were pretty comfortable with the idea of gods getting married and breeding with mortals. In fact, Christianity has the latter anyway.

woollyjumpers Tue 23-Dec-14 08:25:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ClashCityRocker Tue 23-Dec-14 08:25:40

See that's what I find interesting - not the theological side (although that is interesting) but the manipulation of the church doctrine.

adsy Tue 23-Dec-14 08:25:50

Go on, say something about Mohammed having erection problems. Dare you.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Tue 23-Dec-14 08:26:45

Maiden does imply virgin though.

DrDre Tue 23-Dec-14 08:28:05

Joseph had a raw deal. All the responsibilities of parenthood but no sex!

MardyBra Tue 23-Dec-14 08:28:56

grinat adsy

LaurieFairyCake Tue 23-Dec-14 08:29:30

Joseph got loads of shags! They had 4/5 further children.

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