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to be hard pushed to think of ways in which life will be better for my dc (born early 2000s) than it was for my generation born early 60s?

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Mintyy Sun 21-Dec-14 21:54:46

Or in comprison to anyone born in the 70s/80s/90s tbh.

All I can think of is that they will be treated better if they report sexual or domestic abuse, or if they come out as gay. Those are excellent developments, and I am so glad about them.

But are there any other ways that life is better now?

Admittedly I am coming at this from a priviliged middle class angle, so was always warm enough and had mod cons in the early 60s, where I know millions in the UK did not.

JingleSpud Sun 21-Dec-14 21:57:05

Didn't we have a thread about this the other day?

Stealthpolarbear Sun 21-Dec-14 21:57:49

Interesting thread

carabos Sun 21-Dec-14 22:02:52

I agree with you. I'm 51, in my 20s I had a good professional job, a (subsidised) mortgage on a nice house and a baby. That baby is now 28, a graduate with a good professional job that pays pretty much the same as I was earning then, so much less in real terms, and rents a small house he can't afford to buy. His younger brother is 22, has two jobs and earns the minimum wage on zero hours contracts. I fear for their future to the extent that if I were their age, I wouldn't consider bringing children into the world.

Mintyy Sun 21-Dec-14 22:02:54

I must have missed that Jingle. Can you link it?

Stealthpolarbear Sun 21-Dec-14 22:03:38

Ohh I've got some
PUblic health
Cleaner air and water
Fewer teen pregnancies
Far less chance of dying from infectious disease
Live HIV + rather than die from aids
More likely to survive eg heart attack
Longer life expectancy (tho this may be on the reverse)
Wall to wall mickey mouse

Stealthpolarbear Sun 21-Dec-14 22:04:48

I was trying to remember what we used to do in the olden days when we didn't know something. I believe the answer is we lived in ignorance

Stealthpolarbear Sun 21-Dec-14 22:05:56

Muchlower chance of a baby dying in its first year
Less chance of being killed in an rta

ReallyTired Sun 21-Dec-14 22:07:18

Great choice and quality of food.
Better medical care.
Safer roads

ouryve Sun 21-Dec-14 22:07:27

I was born late 60s, the boys early-mid noughties.

Both of them have neurodevelopmental disabilities. Despite some often violent meltdowns, DS1 was welcomed at the local village primary school, until it became obvious that the sensory experience was too much for him and we got him a place at a small, quiet, specialist school with a focus on meeting academic potential. DS2, who has severe learning difficulties and extremely delayed and disordered language, is positively thriving at the local school.

In the 70s, DS1 would possibly have been at a correctional school, by now and it's highly possible that DS2 would have been institutionalised at an early age, without me having any say in his care. They're possibly in that rare cohort for whom life might just be a lot better than it was in previous decades. We've still got a long way to go, mind and the occasional glimpse of attitudes that would have us going backwards does frighten me.

And while those alternative situations don't sound too frightening written down, the revelations about things that have happened to children in these institutions makes me think that they're actually rather lucky to have been born this century.

Trills Sun 21-Dec-14 22:08:41

Better Medicine

Better equal rights (gender/sexuality/race/disability/etc)

Better food

Better access to information

daisychain01 Sun 21-Dec-14 22:11:06

Increasing knowledge about mental health, psychology, teaching methods.

ouryve Sun 21-Dec-14 22:11:22

Oh - and all those massive coins we had in the 70s are a source of endless numismatic joy to DS1. They were just money to me grin

Trills Sun 21-Dec-14 22:12:40

Without modern dentistry I would not be able to eat an apple.

Without transplant technology my brother would have died at 20.

ouryve Sun 21-Dec-14 22:13:42

Your post is making me crave crispy pancakes and spaghetti hoops, Trills

ouryve Sun 21-Dec-14 22:14:08

The first one, that is!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Sun 21-Dec-14 22:14:11

The wild flowers on the verges now they don't spray indiscriminately, and lovely clean rivers to swim in.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Sun 21-Dec-14 22:16:32

Teaching in primary schools is much better- there were always good teachers but the bad ones were allowed to be amazingly bad with no comebacks.

Stealthpolarbear Sun 21-Dec-14 22:18:09

Y children are 7 and 5
They've probably inhaled as much passive cigarette smoke in their lives as the average newborn of the 60s did in its first 24 hours

BackforGood Sun 21-Dec-14 22:18:52

So, so many ways - as listed in several posts above.

I was going to start with the incredibly fast moving developments in medicine and medical research

Communications - where to start?? How can you compare someone whose dc has moved to Australia now (e-mail, mobile phones, texts, WhatApp, Skype and probably several others I don't use, along with relatively much cheaper and quicker flights) with waving off one of your dc as a "£10 Pom" in the 60s ?

Access to all sorts of information

Road safety

Equalities entrenched in law, if not all business cultures (all sorts, from disabilities, sex, race, throughout anything else you can think of) as well as attitudes to situations such as single mothers and children 'born outside of wedlock' - mothers able to keep babies that would then have been put up for adoption.

Ease and cheapness of travel round the world

Awareness of abuse, and so much support now surrounding what was once very, very deeply hidden.

Currently taxes are so much lower, personal allowance so much higher, inflation so much lower, unions aren't stopping the country from functioning as they were in the 70s

Stealthpolarbear Sun 21-Dec-14 22:21:28

Though I bet the internet connection was faster 50 years ago
<grumble grumble moan moan>

Julia Donaldson!

Pandora37 Sun 21-Dec-14 22:27:31

I was told by an old teacher that when he taught in the 80s teenagers were convinced they were going to die due to the threat of nuclear war. Of course, there's the threat of terrorism now but I don't think anyone thinks they're going to die in a nuclear war any time soon.

Better support for single and teenage mothers and better treatment for STDs. HIV isn't an immediate death sentence like it used to be as someone else said. Better access to contraception. I think there's less stigma around being divorced as well.

Premature babies are more likely to survive. Much better support for women who have miscarriages and stillbirths. There still needs to be a lot of work done in that area but it's not the case now that it's hushed away, never to be spoken of again.

More opportunity to go abroad.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Sun 21-Dec-14 22:32:00

No smoking in public - your children are less likely to take up smoking in the first place.

Incredible medical advances since the 60s/70s. Mindblowing in fact.

Better standard of living, better welfare state (imo, even with austerity cuts) We are generally ignorant of the poverty that swathes of people lived in in the 60s/70s.

Cheaper clothing, goods, utilities.

More tolerance to sexuality, lifestyle choices.

Less tolerance to racism, sexism and so on.

More enlightened society regarding sexual abuse. My mum never knew child sex abuse was even a 'thing' till she was in her 20's.

More enlightened society towards domestic abuse.

Greater social mobility (debateable I know).

The internet!!!!

Of course, some of these come with a negative side too.

Personally, my feelings are that the the later you are born, the better things are. Not counting some global war/disaster of course.

museumum Sun 21-Dec-14 22:36:05

I was born in the 70s and it seems like a LOT of children were being abused then sad
In the 80s HIV was a certain death sentence
IVF was brand new and experimental (I am the same age as the first "test tube baby")
Scottish men were expected to get heart disease in their 60s and die in their 70s
Most people smoked and all public places were smoky and horrid.
Racism and sexual harassment were "normal"
Women weren't allowed to run the marathon till my lifetime and not in the Olympics till 84.

Financially and in terms of social mobility I don't think my sons generation will be better off than mine but I believe social attitudes are much better.

southeastastra Sun 21-Dec-14 22:37:39

i think it will be alot better for my ds

for one he is at university and has a much better furture than i did

he gets to talk to people from all over the world via the internet

he isn't into any pop culture though, he is very conservative and not interested in music etc

he isn't being forced to find housing and will probably live with us until he retires grin

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