To think that the teacher should have told me about DDs injury?

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

DD is 6. I picked her up from school and she came out with a red spot on her cheek like a scrape and a fat lip.

The HT was supervising the DC leaving that day and she looked busy so I didn't want to ask her about it so I just asked DD.

She said she fell heavily in the playground during their last break and her tooth was bleeding.

It was and it was looser than before (already a bit loose due to being ready to fall out probs)

Within half an hour the lip was fat and bruising was showing on her face and upper lip.

So the injury must have been literally just sustained when I collected her...I suppose last break ends just before they leave.

Anyway....DD said she told the playtime supervisor and her friends went with her....and the supervisor just told her to go and get some tissue.

Shouldn't she have written it down in an accident book or told me DD had had a head injury?

I am not a fussy person about the DC hurting themselve...quite the opposite...but this seems a bit negligent?

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

this was yesterday btw

[Nicename]

There should be an accident book and on surprised they didnt at least speak to you at pickup. Our school always does and calls if its a crack to the head.

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

I know...I've been told in the past about lesser injuries. My question I suppose is do I mention it?

I'm mostly bothered by what seems like a lax playtime supervisor who didn't give DD any medical attention. What if a child had hit their head really hard and this person didn't report it....and the child later became ill...the parent would not know they'd hurt their head.

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

I know...I've been told in the past about lesser injuries. My question I suppose is do I mention it?

I'm mostly bothered by what seems like a lax playtime supervisor who didn't give DD any medical attention. What if a child had hit their head really hard and this person didn't report it....and the child later became ill...the parent would not know they'd hurt their head.

[APlaceInTheWinter]

Actually what seems negligent to me is that your DD was sent for a tissue and not given an ice pack for the swelling. The supervisor seems to have misjudged what happened and that's why there was no accident report and why your DD's bump wasn't dealt with appropriately.

Personally I wouldn't term a bumped mouth as a head injury but I appreciate it's a fine line depending on how your DD's mouth was hurt.

[SunnyBaudelaire]

sounds like a duff 'dinner lady' to me - no surprises there then.
Kick up a bit of a stink OP

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

Place yes...that's what I mean about not even giving her any medical attention. Seems very lax......her friends were with her which I gather is what little girls do when one of their number gets hurt...they go together to report what happened. I thought it was a head injury as the scrape is on her cheekbone and her mouth is the bit that's bruised...

Who should I speak t about it? The HT was taking Dds class all day as her usual teacher was on a course....shall I ask her usual teacher about it as the HT is so busy. How shall I word it? I don't like complaining as the school is so good generally.

[APlaceInTheWinter]

Massive x-post. I think I would mention it. Perhaps just ask to see the accident report because you 'forgot' to sign it yesterday and then let them explain why there isn't one.

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

They never ask us to sign accident reports Winter it's not a "thing" that I can refer to.

[Hulababy]

SunnyBaudelaire OP says this happened not long before hometime, probably at playtime - so no, not a "duff dinner lady"

[SunnyBaudelaire]

well dinner lady, playground supervisor, whatever you want to call them, they are never great are they really? IME

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

Hula in many schools the playtime supervisors are called dinner ladies. It's not meant rudely.

[Hulababy]

In our school, the playground staff would send the child to first aid. The teacher/TA on FA duty would take a look and record it briefly in the accident book. With a bump on the face we would give the child an ice pack. With bleeding - tissue to wipe it if necessary.

The accident book is kept in school but parents are not asked to sign in.

The face isn't always dealt with as a head injury - depends on what happened, how and where on the head/face.

A head injury at our school also results in a head injury note and sticker.

Often teachers will talk to parents on pick up at the end of the day, but sometimes it gets forgotten, especially when children are of an age to speak for themselves. Teacher has 30 children to safely dispatch to parents. So at the very least it has to wait until that has happened, and not all parents will wait til the end.

If the accident is deemed bad enough we will call a parent to discuss it there and then.

[APlaceInTheWinter]

YY if her cheekbone was scraped too then she has bumped her head. I was just thinking a bumped mouth doesn't always mean a head injury eg DS had his mouth resting on a counter yesterday and then bumped down. I wouldn't have said he had a head injury iyswim. It was purely a bumped mouth. But that wasn't the case for your DD.

As I mentioned, if you don't like complaining then just ask for the report so you can sign it as you 'forgot' to ask for it yesterday. Then when they say there isn't a report, ask why, and ask if your DD should have done something differently to alert them to the nature of her injury as it obviously needed an ice pack but she wasn't given one. If you approach it like that then it allows them to take responsibility for mishandling it without you complaining they didn't handle it well.

[Hulababy]

Our playground supervisors - NOT at dinner time - are teachers and TAs.

[Hulababy]

FWIW I have never know a playground supervisor, other than at lunch time, to be called a dinner lady. Only the ones at dinner time are referred to as dinner ladies, ime.

In all the schools iI have worked at the staff who supervise playtime in a morning and afternoon are teaching staff - so teachers, TAs, head teacher, deputy, etc.

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

Ours aren't hula. Winter I've never signed a report...we dont' have them.

[SunnyBaudelaire]

well lucky you hula

[APlaceInTheWinter]

Sorry x-post again, ok so there isn't an accident report to sign. Then I'd just ask to speak to the teacher and say you obviously missed them yesterday but assumed they'd want to update you on what happened to DD's mouth and cheek

DS' previous school was hopeless at reporting accidents tbh. He once came home with a cut under his eye. Not only did the teacher not tell us about it, they didn't even clean the cut! His new school has a nurse and depending on the injury, we get written reports home from the nurse.

[Hulababy]

If you believe your playground supervisors are ill qualified and are not doing their job probably, then it is worth putting this in writing to the school.

If schools have employed people for a specific job then they should be trained to the job effectively and should have FA knowledge also.

It would appear that those employed at the OP's school (and also at SunnyBaudelaire's school) are not doing their job properly - so this needs raising. It could be deemed a safe guarding issue which is extremely serious for a school.

[SunnyBaudelaire]

I dont have children at junior school any longer thank the good Lord

[HSMMaCM]

I think the playground supervisor didn't think it was more than a small bump, so suggested a tissue to make her feel better. She probably didn't realise how bad it was.

[tahunny]

At dd school play ground staff are pastoral team. If they have accident of any size there is an accident sheet stapled to planner informing of injury, treatment and any other action, I.e if another kid did it, then their parents informed too. Dd planner is full of accident sheets ranging from grazes to bangs to the eye. My kid is clumsy

[DeWee]

I think it's fair enough to ask, but bumps on lips can swell up after the event, whereas nosebleeds tend to look terrible at the time and fine 5 minutes after they've stopped.

I know with ds he hit hit lip once when we were going out. I comforted him, checked it had stopped bleeding, and put him in the car looking absolutely fine. After about half an hour I glanced back at him and his lip was swolen to all proportions and he had about 2" square red patch down his cheek. It definitely didn't look like that 10 minutes after the accident when he got into the car, but he then looked terrible.
I asked him if he was okay, and he said quite happily he was, so I didn't stop the car and fetch cold water etc. as I knew he would be much more likely to get distressed and upset if he thought it was bad.
Could well be something like that.

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

DeWe well the mark on her cheek was a scrape so that was apparent and her tooth and lip were bleeding....so it wasn't a case of an invisible injury.