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to ask why we all have to live in a world shaped by sociopaths?

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nippiesweetie Sat 01-Nov-14 10:44:16

Either because the sociopaths are in charge or we have to have laws aimed at controlling them but endured by us all.

I'm thinking of people like careless employers or heedless industrialists, and everyone else who will not operate ethically unless there is a law forcing them to - and even then they will be looking for a way round it.

At the extreme are the terrorists, but there are also the more mundane like manipulative, unpleasant people in the workplace.

Are the rest of us too ready to settle for our own normal circle of friends, family and colleagues. When will the meek get a fair go?

Nomama Sat 01-Nov-14 10:49:36

Mmm! Sociopaths? Really?

Booboostoo Sat 01-Nov-14 11:11:10

Let's kill all the sociopaths! Do I get to torture them first though? Please? Pretty please?

wowfudge Sat 01-Nov-14 11:12:42

Blimey - on a Saturday morning too!

BackOnlyBriefly Sat 01-Nov-14 11:16:32


We can't even elect someone who will keep their hands out of the petty cash tin.

nippiesweetie Sat 01-Nov-14 11:17:36

Yes, really sociopaths - there are a lot of them about. Hadn't you noticed?

Roseformeplease Sat 01-Nov-14 11:18:52

Sociopaths are people too.

Iggi999 Sat 01-Nov-14 11:19:37

Is that not one of the indicators of someone who will be successful in business?

Riverland Sat 01-Nov-14 11:19:42

Thing is, most sane people don't want power over others. The most tenacious and driven power hungry personalities are often the unbalanced ones.

Fairenuff Sat 01-Nov-14 11:21:50

The meek will inherit the world dontcha know.

Iggi999 Sat 01-Nov-14 11:24:38

I would like power over all of mumsnet.

Bulbasaur Sat 01-Nov-14 11:30:57

"When will the meek get a fair go?"

In business, never. You want something, you go get it. Life will never hand you anything. Not ever.

Life owes you nothing.

It's up to you what you choose to make of it and prioritize.

extremepie Sat 01-Nov-14 11:33:47

I think people in general are really bad at recognising sociopaths (and psychopaths for that matter but they are quite rare), there are a lot more of them than people think!

PacificWerewolf Sat 01-Nov-14 11:36:27

YANBU to ask.

As long as we live in a society that rewards certain sociopathic behaviours (being 'strong', 'go getting', amassing every more possessions to the detriment of others etc etc) and fails to rewards empathy, responsibility for others etc it will remain so.

I am not holding my breath for change tbh.

skolastica Sat 01-Nov-14 11:37:04

I'm bad at recognising sociopaths/psycpaths - don't see it until I'm the one being trodden all over.

Don't get power games either.

MellowAutumn Sat 01-Nov-14 11:55:00

Because the rest of you wander round ringing your hands about how terrible it all is and how we should spread the wealth etc but never actually do anything

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Sat 01-Nov-14 11:57:18

I think it is because it is because the systems in place go unchallenged, there is very little fight for real change, those at the top are patted on the back for basic humanity while those on the bottom are harmed and then either blamed for the harm they've endured or told it isn't so bad/not 'real' pain.

The systems are designed to prevent solidarity and for each person to scrabble to the top and see themselves as self made (and that anyone who does not make it has character flaws rather than flaws designed into the system) regardless the centuries of media, law, education, research, science, religion, philosophy and so on bent that they stand upon to get that way. We're as surrounded by these systems as fish are water and until they recognised as they are and harmful to all, that they prevent a full reality for anyone, then only the few will fight for change which will mean real liberation and a world shaped for the good of all will take far longer.

BackOnlyBriefly Sat 01-Nov-14 12:11:59

It's reasonable to be sad that things are this way, but I'm not sure we could do anything about it. It may be what being human is about.

Put 10 people on an island and 4 of them will team up and claim ownership of the coconuts. They will say 'there's not enough for the rest of you'. They'll say 'it's your own fault. If you wanted us all to have some you should have done something about it. It's no good wringing your hands now'

A generation later the ones without enough coconuts will be grateful for what leftovers they can get and may even look up to those in charge.

MrsMarcJacobs Sat 01-Nov-14 12:15:49

Unpleasant people in the workplace are sociopaths - REALLY? confused

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 01-Nov-14 12:17:14

Do you understand what a sociopath is, op. Your posts suggest you do not.

Latara Sat 01-Nov-14 12:29:50

I think Putin is a sociopath.

All that's missing is a white Persain cat and he would make a good James Bond villain!

Latara Sat 01-Nov-14 12:30:21

Sorry PERSIAN cat!

dotdotdotmustdash Sat 01-Nov-14 12:41:22

Unfortunately if you look at some organisations and systems where democracy and fairness are the ethos, you will find that change is always very slight and everything takes a very long time to action. So many people must agree and anything remotely alternative will never be taken up. It's certainly fair but not terribly successful or efficient.

Sociopaths (or levels thereof) do tend to make decisions and implement change, unfortunately it will always suit them rather than the majority, but they are more successful and efficient.

BackOnlyBriefly Sat 01-Nov-14 12:42:02

Sociopath is probably the wrong word, but we all knew what the OP meant didn't we.

BackOnlyBriefly Sat 01-Nov-14 12:46:32

they are more successful and efficient. That is probably true. It's much simpler to make decisions that don't take into account other people.

"Say what you like about Mussolini, he made the trains run on time."

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