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FannyFifer Mon 25-Aug-14 22:28:52

Round 2 folks, ding ding!

squoosh Mon 25-Aug-14 22:34:49


SantanaLopez Mon 25-Aug-14 22:36:14


BetterTogether75 Mon 25-Aug-14 22:36:45


chubbyhez Mon 25-Aug-14 22:36:58

I do think that the last one ended on quite a good point!

Anyway, I'm pishing masel at Alex's quip... 'you don't have to point Alistair !'

longfingernails Mon 25-Aug-14 22:38:11

Salmond won the debate easily (though the moderator was awful). He had pithier soundbites, and simply talked over Darling's responses (thereby successfully flustering him).

Of course, that is a purely oratorical judgement. If a majority of the Scottish people actually believe the snake oil Salmond is trying to sell them, then frankly, Scotland is in very deep trouble indeed.

chubbyhez Mon 25-Aug-14 22:38:11

grin @bettertogether75. Great name but you are leaving a question unanswered. Just to clear up any confusion; yes or no?

longfingernails Mon 25-Aug-14 22:40:50

Darling would have been better to say he supports Trident wholeheartedly, that yes, he believes private providers have a place in the NHS, and that he agrees with welfare reform (even if not specific aspects of it). After all, he championed all three policies in government. People respect honesty, even if they disagree.

squoosh Mon 25-Aug-14 22:42:41

Pat Kane is on STV, what a pesud that man is!

squoosh Mon 25-Aug-14 22:42:56

'pseud' even!

OOAOML Mon 25-Aug-14 22:43:11

I have to admit Salmond probably did win that one (although I think the media put too much emphasis on that angle) - but I'm still very much a No voter. And I would have expected a better run debate, which this one wasn't. DH is watching New Tricks, how is the Scotland 2014 analysis if anyone is watching?

FannyFifer Mon 25-Aug-14 22:44:23

Not a fan of Kane tbh.

squoosh Mon 25-Aug-14 22:45:05

Salmond 'won' but I'm unconvinced as to the effect of these TV debates beyond making people swig red wine and bellow at their TV screens in outrage and joyous anger. ('joyous anger' is a real thing in my house)

PlasticPinkFlamingo Mon 25-Aug-14 22:45:11

I can't imagine that quality of debate would have swayed too many undecided voters. It was depressing. Two men shouting at one another and an ineffective moderator.

longfingernails Mon 25-Aug-14 22:46:14

Salmond neutralised currency as a topic for the period of the debate, but not more generally. There is no way that politicians in the remaining UK will sanction a currency union for a second, given that Scotland will be a free kicking ball going into the General Election come a Yes vote.

It might not be rational, but any politician or party who is weak on playing hardball with the Scots will be in turn punished by the voters. Tory, Labour and UKIP will get into an arms race of who can be toughest on the Scots (I guess the Lib Dems will take a 'principled' fence-sitting stance).

scottishmummy Mon 25-Aug-14 22:46:52

Post the rammy on the telly why not

scottishmummy Mon 25-Aug-14 22:50:07

Hue and cry,remember them whit utter bawbags nearly as pretentious as deacon blue
But gie huey spewy there due they never chunterred in aboot a boat and sunblest bag

I agree PlasticPinkFlamingo, I think there was more personality politics and pathetic point scoring than anything else. I also don't think "x won the debate" translates to "so I'm voting x way" in these - they're not good enough for that. It's more an assessment of who has the pithiest put downs!

LadyCordeliaFlyte Mon 25-Aug-14 22:52:36

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longfingernails Mon 25-Aug-14 22:53:54

To be honest not enough of the debate was about the long-term future of Scotland.

The transition would be extremely messy, and would screw up Scotland for several years (I guess 10) and the rest of the UK for at some too (I guess 3). Salmond would be much more convincing if he admitted that it would be very difficult at first, and focussed his energy on longer-term aspirations.

LadyCordeliaFlyte Mon 25-Aug-14 22:54:24

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TheBogQueen Mon 25-Aug-14 22:55:51

Oh I love post- modern Pat

longfingernails Mon 25-Aug-14 22:56:12

The debate hall was stunning by the way. I had not heard of it before.

Sallyingforth Mon 25-Aug-14 22:57:20

Yes, Salmond is all bluster and bully. But Darling wasn't at his best.
And the chairman was bloody useless - just stood there and let them shout over each other.

gussiegrips Mon 25-Aug-14 22:58:00

I'm exasperated.

I like politics. I have been actively seeking stuff out for two. long. years.

I have no facts on which to base a vote. It's all opinion and spin and bluster.

And, I wish Salmond had stuck behind the podium and not gone wandering around like Jimeoin finding the sincerest spot of the stage

Which is no reason to not vote for someone.

Nor is it a reason to vote for someone.


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