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to think that primary school teachers should be made to sit the year 1 nonsense words test

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ReallyTired Thu 03-Apr-14 19:38:54

It would be really interesting to see what proportion of existing qualified teachers can pass the year 1 phonics word test. Those who fail it should be sent on an intensive phonics course and then resit the test. Those who pass should be given a bonus. (It make make those teachers who have suffered a pay freeze for the last 3 years a little happier!)

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Thu 03-Apr-14 19:42:15

Do you really think any teachers would fail it?

spanieleyes Thu 03-Apr-14 19:42:55

Those who fail it shouldn't be teaching.

Martorana Thu 03-Apr-14 19:43:30

Why would anyone who can read fail it?

lecce Thu 03-Apr-14 19:45:37

No one who can read would fail it. Do you have 'issues' with it, OP?

WooWooOwl Thu 03-Apr-14 19:45:57


Silvercatowner Thu 03-Apr-14 19:46:22

Why on earth would anyone fail it? That's barking.

Stinklebell Thu 03-Apr-14 19:47:58

DD2 bought home a worksheet based on that test.

I will admit to scratching my head thinking "but I'm sure there's no such word as ......."

MavisGrind Thu 03-Apr-14 19:48:10

Anyone who can read and knows it's a test of their phonic knowledge would pass it. Some fluent Yr1 readers may make mistakes if trying to make sense of words - e.g 'storm' instead of 'strom'.

I don't really see what your point is? Teachers don't set these you know?

meditrina Thu 03-Apr-14 19:49:35

Well if there were teachers who could not read novel words adequately, then they shouldn't be teaching early years and KS1. But I doubt there are any. It's a very basic screening.

ReallyTired Thu 03-Apr-14 19:50:25

"Do you really think any teachers would fail it?"

Yes, but I hope they would be in a minority. I suspect that there might be some year 6 teachers who would fail it. My children's school has very little in the way of phonics teaching once the children hit juniors. Unless you are using phonics on a regular basis its easy to forget the rules.

It would be enlightening to see if TAs in a school could pass the phonics test as well as the teachers.

I believe that screening the staff's knowledge would be an efficent way to see which people need phonics training. Those who are sucessful could be given a small bonus. I hope that £200 might be a consolation of the humilation of being put through a test.

Prehaps I could be really mean and subject secondary English teachers to the same test. 20% of primary school children leave unable to read so secondary English teachers really need to know about phonics as well.

freezation Thu 03-Apr-14 19:50:41

I know (hope) your post is slightly tongue-in-cheek but it's Gove you should be targeting not teachers. You do know the majority don't agree with the test?

BasketzatDawn Thu 03-Apr-14 19:51:57

Do you not think the problem of poor language (very obvious spelling and grammar errors, for example) and poor arithmetic skills are a more worrying problem further up the education system? But do you really think it's at a level with Y1 phonics? Just asking, and I'm not sure how widespread it is as I don't think it's been tested. Just anecdotal.

Martorana Thu 03-Apr-14 19:52:20

What makes you think anyone would fail it? hmm

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Thu 03-Apr-14 19:53:32

I don't think there is a chance that any teachers would fail it.

zirca Thu 03-Apr-14 19:54:24

If you can read (and to get a degree that is rather necessary!), it's easy.

Whathaveiforgottentoday Thu 03-Apr-14 19:54:28

What point are you trying to make?
Are you implying that primary teachers lack knowledge or are you trying to make a point about the tests being pointless. If it's the second point, you are targeting the wrong people.

rabbitlady Thu 03-Apr-14 19:54:33

i've looked on the government websites. what a pile of shite. am i allowed to say that? its rubbish. so we're going to get ahead of the world, educationally, if our children can sound out non-words? what a useful skill for life. not.

meditrina Thu 03-Apr-14 20:03:38

It's a screening to show whether children can read words they!0've never seen before. Yes, that's an important skill. It's less used in later life, as so many words have been encountered before. But when you're young and learning higher reading skills, it really, really helps if you haven't barriers to accessing the basic text.

lecce Thu 03-Apr-14 20:03:54

No teacher (or anyone else who can read) would fail it! it does not test explicit phonic knowledge. Anyone who can read has absorbed phonic knowledge, even if they are unaware of having done so and would profess themselves to be ignorant about phonics. Therefore, making teachers sit the test would not weed out those whose phonic knowledge is not up to scratch as they would still pass the test.

This post has made me feel confused.

lecce Thu 03-Apr-14 20:04:53

This thread

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Thu 03-Apr-14 20:08:00

Me too lecce.

thebody Thu 03-Apr-14 20:08:10

as a 50 year old year 1 TA ex nursing sister and other teaching qualifications I can assure you I would pass it op.

as would the year 1 teacher I work with who is very young and very bright as she has a degree in English.

what's your point? the teachers don't set the curriculum you know. rather ask if twatty Gove could pass it.

pippitysqueakity Thu 03-Apr-14 20:08:23

Seriously, what phonic rules that are 'easily forgotten' are there in that test?

TheScience Thu 03-Apr-14 20:09:57

It's easy to forget the rules, really?

Surely anyone who reads comes across new words sometimes. What do you think people do confused

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