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To think it is time to secularise all state-funded education?

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fideline Tue 25-Mar-14 20:40:33

Just that really.

ItsNotATest Tue 25-Mar-14 20:41:18

I agree

CorusKate Tue 25-Mar-14 20:45:11

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Chwaraeteg Tue 25-Mar-14 20:46:15

Yanbu. I think any public institutions should be secular.

TidyDancer Tue 25-Mar-14 20:47:11

Agree x1000.

ConferencePear Tue 25-Mar-14 20:47:18

It definitely gets my vote.

wimblehorse Tue 25-Mar-14 20:47:33


JanePurdy Tue 25-Mar-14 20:49:53

Me too.

Phineyj Tue 25-Mar-14 20:49:56

YANBU. I didn't realise until reading about this that only 10% of the capital cost and none of the running costs come from the church (if we're talking CofE schools - not sure if the same split applies to other faiths). I'd assumed that to have one's name on a school the contribution was rather more than that! The CofE made a huge contribution to providing free education in the past, but in this day and age, it seems very odd to have so many primaries in particular be sponsored by the church.

Ilikesweetpeas Tue 25-Mar-14 20:51:27

I disagree, love that we had a choice of church or community school and am delighted with the strong Christian values that my DD's school promotes. I appreciate though that it's hard for parents who don't have a choice and have to use a church school when that is not their preference

Patchouli Tue 25-Mar-14 20:51:52


BackOnlyBriefly Tue 25-Mar-14 20:53:49


It would be better for religious people too. After all a secular school is better than one that teaches that your religion is the wrong one.

nancy75 Tue 25-Mar-14 20:54:35

ilikesweetpeas - the trouble is that in some areas there is no choice between a church school and secular one. For your dd this has worked out ok - you like the strong christian values - would it be the same if the school was equally good but had strong jewish/muslim/hindu values?

rabbitlady Tue 25-Mar-14 20:56:25

definitely not.

NorksAreMessy Tue 25-Mar-14 20:57:22

And it would stop the blatant nonsense that sees parents going to church for two years to get their child into the state school across the road that happens to be CofE

amicissimma Tue 25-Mar-14 20:57:23

Are you planning to buy the school buildings off the church or build replacements? Which services will you cut to find the money to do either of these?

Kleptronic Tue 25-Mar-14 20:57:57

Where I live, it's a case of if you're in a deprived area and the wrong religion, your child doesn't get to go to the 'good' school. That's wrong.

Stokes Tue 25-Mar-14 20:58:27

YANBU. I don't have children yet, but when I do they'll be raised atheist. It's strange to me that they will likely go to a school that will have a religous ethos, and teach God as fact rather than faith.

I have no problem with anyone raising their children in a religious faith, but I don't think state schools should facilitate that during school hours.

hoobypickypicky Tue 25-Mar-14 20:58:33

YANBU. I don't buy the "I want the Christian values" argument. You can have good values of kindness, respect for others, selflessness, moral rectitude or what have you in a secular environment - the two are not mutually exclusive.

theeternalstudent Tue 25-Mar-14 21:00:24

Having grown up on the West Cost of Scotland where asking what school you went to meant asking what religion you were, coupled with the Orange Walks and the religious divide, how could I not think otherwise???

Sorry, I haven't explained that very well. For me my lasting memory of religion and schools is that of segregation and highlighting difference. It created divides and separated communities. Schools promoted early segregation. For me it promotes discrimination.

hoobypickypicky Tue 25-Mar-14 21:00:59

"Are you planning to buy the school buildings off the church or build replacements?"

But surely if the church is as all-loving and all-giving as it folk will have us believe it will donate the buildings to the state for the purpose of the common good.

Won't it?


kim147 Tue 25-Mar-14 21:01:02

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheCrackFox Tue 25-Mar-14 21:01:39


Far better for society that children of different faiths mix together.

Nancy66 Tue 25-Mar-14 21:02:43

Totally. One of those things I can't quite believe hasn't happened yet.

WhosLookingAfterCourtney Tue 25-Mar-14 21:02:48


I don't want Christian values foisted upon my children thank you very much.

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