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Amythesianwaterfall Tue 11-Mar-14 12:26:51

I am looking for guidance here oh grammar goddesses of mumsnet!

Should there be an apostrophe in the phrase:

Future Leaders Programme ?

I think it should be: Future Leaders' Programme.
However the written information I have received does not contain one. Thank you!

girlwhowearsglasses Tue 11-Mar-14 12:29:43

If it was cats it wouldn't be 'future cats' program' though?

Binkyridesagain Tue 11-Mar-14 12:31:10

How many leaders are there?

moosemurphy Tue 11-Mar-14 12:32:38

Yes you are right, it is the Programme of the Future Leaders, therefore there is an apostrophe after the s of Leaders.

Girl, I don't understand your comment - it would be future cats' programme confused

CuttedUpPear Tue 11-Mar-14 12:32:41

If more than one leader than it's correct in your OP.
If only one leader than the apostrophe should be before the S.

CuttedUpPear Tue 11-Mar-14 12:33:15

then it's correct

<not helping>

neepsandtatties Tue 11-Mar-14 12:34:00

Assuming it is a programme for a number of people who have been identified as being future leaders then yes you are correct.

if it is denoting the schedule of the Labour party future leader, then it should be 'Future Leader's programme'

DoJo Tue 11-Mar-14 12:34:30

I would put one in, assuming the programme is for future leaders. If it was a programme called 'Future Leaders' then I wouldn't, but it would depend on fairly footling things such as the font size and graphic design as to whether or not that was clear.

Megrim Tue 11-Mar-14 12:35:15

Nope - it doesn't need an apostrophe. The programme does not belong to the future leaders.

WilsonFrickett Tue 11-Mar-14 12:35:45

Future Leaders' programme is correct. I have both been on one and written copious amounts of copy for and about them!

(assuming more than one leader, of course)

Wibblypiglikesbananas Tue 11-Mar-14 12:37:35

Yes, it should be Future Leaders' Programme - as the programme effectively 'belongs' to the leaders.

If the situation were to involve cats (plural) it would indeed be Future Cats' Programme.

Singular - the leader's programme/the cat's programme
Plural - the leaders' programme/the cats' programme

bragmatic Tue 11-Mar-14 12:38:29

Is it a program called 'Future Leaders'? then no.

If it is a leadership program for future leaders, then yes.

I think...

TillyTellTale Tue 11-Mar-14 12:39:10

It's a programme for 'future leaders'; it's not a programme that belongs to the 'future leaders'. 'Future Leaders' is just a label here. It's like saying "the Intermediate programme is on Tuesday".

For example, "I go to Mrs Salisbury's History lesson". It is the class belonging to Mrs Salisbury, not the class belonging to Mr Tewkesbury, so there is an apostrophe. But the lesson time is for History, it doesn't belong to History, so no apostrophe.

Amythesianwaterfall Tue 11-Mar-14 12:39:38

Thank you! Just was doubting myself and thought I had made a massive mistake!

squeaver Tue 11-Mar-14 12:42:15

You are correct. I don't understand the comments by girlwhowearsglasses or megrim. Of course it would be the Future Cats' programme. The programme doesn't need to belong to the Future Leaders, but it does relate to them.

Megrim Tue 11-Mar-14 12:42:42

You could say it was Unilever's Future Leaders Programme, it would not be Unilever's Future Leaders' Programme.

JamNan Tue 11-Mar-14 12:45:00

It sounds a little awkward IYSWIM, why don't you call it "A Programme for Future Leaders" ? Then you won't have the problem with the apostrophe.

PuppyMonkey Tue 11-Mar-14 12:45:13

Well that's all nice and cleared up for everyone then.grinconfused

Wibblypiglikesbananas Tue 11-Mar-14 12:45:41

The examples given by Megrim and Girlwho are incorrect.

Apostrophe of possession/genitive case. The 'belongs to' was by way of illustration.

Have to say, I'm shocked by some of the replies on this thread!

littlebluedog12 Tue 11-Mar-14 12:46:10

Ooh, I was with bragmatic but I'm not sure now... Tilly makes an excellent point.

If it is capitalised throughout i.e Young Leaders Programme then I think there is an argument for either way, as long as it is consistent.

HauntedNoddyCar Tue 11-Mar-14 12:46:16

If it's the programme called 'Future Leaders' then no apostrophe
If it's the programme for Future Leaders then apostrophe.

Wibblypiglikesbananas Tue 11-Mar-14 12:47:35

Tilly - your response shocks me the most. Absolutely incorrect.

StealthPolarBear Tue 11-Mar-14 12:51:42

Actually I agree with tilly
it couls indicate possession in which case it wouod be future leaders'
Or it could just be the name of the programme
back to work progrmame
Driving on ice programme
future leaders programme
children and young people programme vs children's and young people's programme

littlebluedog12 Tue 11-Mar-14 12:53:08

Wibbly I think Tilly makes perfect sense. If you said Brownies Summer Camp, it wouldn't be Brownies' Summer Camp. The camp doesn't belong to the Brownie.

JamNan Tue 11-Mar-14 12:53:35

I can't see anything wrong with Tilly's post.

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