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over dd's class (age 6/7) being fined team points for going to the toilet during lesson time?

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doublechocchip Mon 20-Jan-14 20:17:23

Just wondering if this is normal, dd (year 2) came out of school today bursting for the toilet, on the way back to the car I asked her why she hadn't gone in school and she said that she hadn't wanted to as the teacher fines a child who goes to the toilet during lesson time 5 points from their team.

I asked if the teacher had done that to stop messing around in the toilet and she said she had but surely you would just send them one at a time? She also said that she didn't like to go at some break times as there are more children messing about in the toilets and she's too shy to go in.

Do other schools implement this kind of thing? I mean the messing at lunchtime sounds like a bit of lack of supervision but fining them if they need to go during lessons? Am not too happy about it at all but am willing to be told I'm over-reacting!

pigletmania Tue 21-Jan-14 07:38:28

Definitely talk to the head ASAP not acceptable!

pigletmania Tue 21-Jan-14 07:37:56

This is bad especially for little ones, holding on too long can lead to kidney or bladder infections. Going to the toilet is a basic human need, we are not talking about adults or teenagers, but 6/7 year old children, still at infant school departments!

LittleBabyPigsus Tue 21-Jan-14 04:43:07

Erm they are being fined team points, not money hmm

However, this is awful. 6yo is only little still. Also by making it into a penalty rather than an encouragement, you get sensitive children like OP's DD who don't want to let others down and end up potentially hurting themselves (not using the loo when you really need it is very bad for you).

DD not being able to use the toilet at break time because of other kids in there is also worrying. The ERIC scheme sounds like a good idea.

SabraCadabra Tue 21-Jan-14 04:28:08

How much money are they being fined? Money grabbing twats.

SinisterBuggyMonth Tue 21-Jan-14 00:02:37

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HowBadCanThisGet Tue 21-Jan-14 00:02:32

Now, a retired head teacher told me that you can never tell a child that they may not go to the toilet. Something to do with human rights.

The issue isn't the team points, the issue is that she doesn't feel safe to go during breaks. That is a real problem to do with supervision and behaviour which the teacher either doesn't know about, or is unable to manage.

Nanny0gg Mon 20-Jan-14 23:59:21

It's not an incentive!

Deducting team points for anything is totally against the way they're supposed to work - they're a reward not a punishment. Barmy idea!

And I am totally against restricting toilet going in that manner anyway!

Experienced teachers know who's trying it on and who really needs it - a pattern tends to build up! It isn't that hard to manage, really it isn't. Not at that age.

I do wonder sometimes...

Viviennemary Mon 20-Jan-14 23:46:28

Sounds like a newly qualified teacher to me. How ridiculous. You should complain to the head.

Misspixietrix Mon 20-Jan-14 23:45:06

My DD is yr 3 (7 nearly 8) and has a similar policy. Not necessarily fined but they get a bonus five points If theymmanage to not go all day apart from break and lunch which is frankly just unrealistic to me. Told her never ever to hold on to the point she's bursting. She might end up having an accident and no five points is worth that humiliation.

pigletmania Mon 20-Jan-14 23:43:22

Definitely talk to the HT, that is not on, especially they are younger children

17leftfeet Mon 20-Jan-14 23:40:45

When I was in first year juniors yr3 I can still remember a girl pleading to go to the toilet

The teacher said no, you should have gone at break

She must have asked 5 or 6 times during the lesson -until she started crying and wet herself

Teachers are much more flexible about allowing toilet trips and drinks but that's a whole other thread but too many children going is disruptive

missymayhemsmum Mon 20-Jan-14 23:30:43

Go and see the teacher after school. It probably seemed like a good way to stop messing about/ continual loo breaks in lesson time and encourage them to wait until breaktime like the big kids, but it's obviously upsetting your daughter, and she's not comfortable going at lunchtime, which also needs sorting.
(My dd, also Yr2 is often desperate for the loo after school too, but I think that's just because if she's busy she doesn't notice she needs to go until she's desperate).

Supercosy Mon 20-Jan-14 22:46:05

Seriously? My god, that is ridiculous. Please make a complaint. What a horrible idea.

ballstoit Mon 20-Jan-14 22:44:18

I also remember that I had to wipe my backside on tracing paper...that definitely put me off going in primary school grin

5Foot5 Mon 20-Jan-14 22:10:33

When did schools become such dictatorial arseholes over kids using the toilet?

Well I remember back in the 1970s our teacher at primary used to strongly discourage people from going in the lessons. If they insisted that they really, really had to go she obviously permitted it but there was a little lecture about that was what playtime was for.

Mind you that would be in the juniors, Y3 to Y6, I think they were probably more lenient with the little ones same age as OP's DD.

lilsupersparks Mon 20-Jan-14 21:47:00

Sounds like the supervision at break time is what needs work on! Then she would be able to go at that point..

My student teacher had a year 7 wet herself earlier this year - when they need to go, they need to go!

BarbarianMum Mon 20-Jan-14 21:19:51

I don't like the sound of that. However if your dd is deliberately holding on to go in lessons, because she doesn't like the hustle and bustle of the toilets at break time, then that is something she needs to work on overcoming.

By Y2 if children use the loos at beak and lunch time then they should rarely need it in class time.

Thatisall Mon 20-Jan-14 21:14:46

Oooh that isn't good. Let's all gang up on the child who needs. Wee because they've lost team points for us all hmm

rainydarkskies Mon 20-Jan-14 21:13:26

That's completely out of context! Somebody asked how would the teachers like it and I pointed out they don't. They clench.

At any rate, the teacher is not forbidding the children to go, they are offering an incentive to hang on and in most cases, kids can wait but choose not to, being savvy enough to recognise that the teacher can hardly check to see whether its a touching cloth emergency or not.

Chunderella Mon 20-Jan-14 21:11:56

Yanbu, at that age they're still only little! Like princesspond I also worry about the impact on children with continence issues, SEN etc. The school might say that any fines, demerits etc won't apply to them but it's still stigmatising. I'd say something, OP.

harticus Mon 20-Jan-14 21:09:09

"How would they like it" - well, teachers have to wait!

Yes that's right, the bladder and bowel control of a 6 year old child is identical to an adult.

SayMyNameSayIt Mon 20-Jan-14 21:08:02


That made me laugh out loud! Oh I'm so glad I teach primary!! (That's bad enough!)

meditrina Mon 20-Jan-14 21:06:57

KS1 children should be encouraged to go to the loo during breaks, but permitted to go if truly necessary during a lesson and without undue wait to be permitted to leave the classroom (so perhaps not in last 5 minutes before a break,or if several pupils out already)

OP: you school needs to investigate your DD's account of the loos during breaks, and sort out any bad behaviour.

It also needs, as a matter of some urgency, to remove punishments from toilet requirements, especially those which impact on children in addition to the one who simply needed the loo.

doublechocchip Mon 20-Jan-14 21:06:00

Thanks for replies, would people speak to the teacher then? I've never actually had cause to have a word with a teacher about anything up until now. How would you go about wording it?

rainy I see what you're saying but the examples you're talking about seem like high school age in which by then yes I would expect them to be able to hold for a lesson but they are in a class of 6 and 7 year olds which in the grand scheme of things is still pretty young.

rainydarkskies Mon 20-Jan-14 21:05:13

Not primary age! grin

We don't usually get the luxury of TAs in secondary anyway.

I actually think the schools system is a good one: it doesn't have an all out ban which as you rightly point out is unfair to genuine cases but acts as a deterrent.

"How would they like it" - well, teachers have to wait!

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