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To hate that dds teacher puts all their test scores on the board for everyone to see.

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moldingsunbeams Sat 11-Jan-14 14:56:35

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Goldmandra Mon 13-Jan-14 20:46:02

Prizes single out one or two of the highest performing pupils, leaving the non-prize winners in amongst a majority. This doesn't highlight one particular child as under performing.

The fact that the other children may be aware that x isn't good at spelling, doesn't make it OK to put x through the ritual humiliation of having his/her test results announced to the class every week.

Some teachers care about the self esteem of their pupils and understand that lack of it can be an enormous barrier to learning.

SilverApples Mon 13-Jan-14 11:21:44

We had an inspector who didn't know the difference between dissolved and melted.

flipchart Mon 13-Jan-14 09:46:27

This is not a new idea.
This happened when iPad at primary in the '70's

Also happened at DS's primary 10 years ago.

OldDaddy Mon 13-Jan-14 09:42:42

Why don't we get kids to do sports day individually in a closed environment then with no prizes or mention of the results? I don't see the issue. If kids are under performing their peers will see that in class anyway, not just from a list pinned to the wall.

pudcat Mon 13-Jan-14 08:11:14

Lilacroses I can give more examples of their incompetence. We always sait that most Ofsted inspectors were failed teachers who just wanted to get out of the classroom.

maddy68 Sun 12-Jan-14 21:19:49

Gove and ofsted a great combination!

Chottie Sun 12-Jan-14 20:11:47

I can't believe this still happens. When I was at school 40 years ago, we were tested for every subject and the results for every test were pinned up for all to see. There was a red line drawn to show everyone who had failed. It was awful and I've never forgotten it. Please go into the school and say something.

BigBirthdayGloom Sun 12-Jan-14 20:01:34

The real life argument is just nonsense. In real life, I applied for a job I had an aptitude in and desire to do. I had a choice. As it happens, I knew that a competitive environment where i would be pitted against others in a public way based on my results would be a disaster for me. So I chose something where, although of course there is competition in subtle ways, my main motivation is to do better for my students.
How does a child in primary school get to choose? It's a shocking way to motivate a very small number of students who are competitive and able to affect their progress by working hard. For the others, it's pointless at best and hugely detrimental to others.
I accept, reluctantly, the need to share levels with students. I see no need for that sharing to be public. I'm really sorry for your dd, op.

zizzo Sun 12-Jan-14 19:43:07

It's really crap to do this in a school with such a range and mix of different abilities.

For the posters who argue that this is good preparation for work life - how?! Even in competitive sales-like environments, you wouldn't find such a broad range of abilities in the same workplace with colleagues of the same age and experience.

When my dad was a teacher, they didn't have OFSTED, they had Her Majesty's Inspectors of Schools - known as HMIs - and there was a saying even then - those who can, teach; those who can't, become HMIs. It is sad that that can still be seen to be the case, in the stories here.

Lilacroses Sun 12-Jan-14 19:38:21

Excuse typos my phone is annoying! !

Lilacroses Sun 12-Jan-14 19:37:09

Couldn't agree more pudcat re Ofsted
At my previous school during a feedback session an inspector called me the wrong name the whole way through and admitted he had beem looking at a colleagues lesson plam rather than mine the wbole way through my lesson. In another inspection we were crticised for not giving enough responsibility to our year 6s...we were an infant school who had no year 6!

MollyBerry Sun 12-Jan-14 17:49:29

As ukatlast said it's really bad she hasn't got anything - i used to be a year 1 TA and star of the week was essentially on a rota, everyone would get it for something one week throughout the year

kickassangel Sun 12-Jan-14 17:48:47

I started teaching 20 years ago and have always been told that a person's grades are their own personal business and nothing to do with any other child. They are seen as being confidential in the same way that I wouldn't give out home phone number or medical information.

Feel free to step in on this one.

pudcat Sun 12-Jan-14 17:40:35

We are encouraged to share the results as a class. Ofsted love it!! Well Ofsted are prats. They are people who have not taught for a long time and do not have a clue. This is a sure way to get a school to fail. If I knew that I could not get the top grades then I would give up.

I once did the story of the 3 bears with a nursery class. I told the story and used props of appropriate sizes to help the children with it. Then based all the activities of the session around the story.. My weekly planning showed that I would read the story from a book the next session. The inspector who admitted that he had never taught 3 yr olds, said my lesson was only satisfactory because I did not read the story as well as telling it. He expected the children to be able to sit still for another 10 minutes on top of the 20 or so they were engrossed in retelling. Utter twit.

maddy68 Sun 12-Jan-14 16:46:02

We are encouraged to share the results as a class. Ofsted love it!! It's supposed to promote healthy completion and help when peer assessing as they know what to look fir at each grade

newyearhere Sun 12-Jan-14 15:17:27

YANBU. All children should be rewarded on doing as well as they can, regardless of what level anyone else happens to be on. There's no need for this sort of comparison - what's it meant to achieve?

Yes, the "real world" will bring plenty of competition and comparisons, but I think the best way to be prepared for this is building up the confidence of all children, which isn't done by simplistic scores on the board.

MinesAPintOfTea Sun 12-Jan-14 13:42:46

Its sometimes appropriate in higher sets towards the end of secondary/college when everyone in the class should be capable and there's a few who aren't trying.

Its utterly inappropriate in primary with a mixed ability group.

ukatlast Sun 12-Jan-14 13:34:12

Correction: Amazed you say she has never been awarded for anything. I was always led to believe that 'Pupil of the Week' was essentially on a rota.

ukatlast Sun 12-Jan-14 13:31:38

Amazed you say she has never been awarded for everything. I was always led to believe that 'Pupil of the Week' was essentially on a rota.

Gileswithachainsaw Sat 11-Jan-14 22:40:17

That's what I like about dds school too pointy

They get positive comments for the work they do.
They get house points for more than just academic stuff (in fact I've yet to hear if any award for academic side or scores )

They focus on things like kindness, friendship, trust, etc on a regular basis.

pointythings Sat 11-Jan-14 22:23:54

Really good point, Giles. I'm lucky in that the DDs' schools don't just believe in rewarding the academic stuff.

DD2 recently got a certificate for helping with reading in Yr1 - which she really loved - and DD1 got house points for helping a friend find her lost PE kit which some little shit had hidden. They're both very academic, but I want them to be all round kind people too.

ThisLittlePiggyStayedHome Sat 11-Jan-14 22:21:59

Sorry for the two missed shock faces.. I forgot only the smiles convert automatically smile

ThisLittlePiggyStayedHome Sat 11-Jan-14 22:20:22

This is completely shocking (I'm not in the UK and have never heard of such a thing). Is this really the norm in lots of places? :O

It's so blatantly obvious how counterproductive and potentially cruel a practice it is! Even the variation that junkfoodaddict describes is just so backward sounding to me... I mean, peer support might have a place, but "experts" assuming the role of teachers for their classmates?! Just thinking about the power dynamics of that, and how it must feel to the kids being "taught" by their peers (or who should be their peers, but who are instead elevated above them for doing better in school!)... wow.

OP, I think you should absolutely make a fuss about this, but reading the replies and the fact that schools / teachers are instructed to do this ( :O ) makes me think it needs a wider effort, some kind of parents' campaign to make it as unacceptable in the context of school policy as it is in the context of basic decency and kindness. Can you approach anyone on the PTA, or talk to other parents in the school to find out if there's any appetite for a group approach?

junkfoodaddict Sat 11-Jan-14 22:02:53

We have 'Top Scorer' certificates for Big Maths. The Numeracy coordinator said the certificates go tot eh person with the highest score on the Total Recall tests. I always said this was unfair and was not a strategy to properly motivate pupils.
I wasn't the brightest at math when when I was younger and knowing the top scorers would be rewarded would make me quit and give up before it had begun because I would KNOW I would never outshine the G&T kids.
So, the Top Scorer certificate is given out to 5 pupils (or more if more than one gets the top score) - one pupil from each ability group - that way even the SEN kids feel as though they are achieving and competition is within ability sets.

However, we are TOLD (as are other local schools) to put up level ladders with the chidren's names on. tTheir name is displayed next to the level they are currently achieving. Luckily, the way in which we talk to our children and encourage them means we have no issues of bullying or teasing regarding lack of ability. If anything, the more able kids are very encouraging and supporting because depedning on their 'expertise', they are made 'experts' and are sometimes drafted in to share knowledge and skills. They love having the role of 'teacher' and know that they couldn't do the job if they were going to be unkind and tease those who are less 'knowledgable' than they are.

They are Y2.

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