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To be a bit shocked at the landlord who is evicting 200 families because they are on housing benefit

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wetaugust Mon 06-Jan-14 19:25:20

Heard this and 'Wow' - I was shocked.

He's being interviewed on C4 News.

He'd rather rent them to Eatern Europeans who are working.

He said that if house prices go up then rents should go up.

He said he's not the only landlord doing this.


So some local authority will have to find new housing for all these people.

Where will this end?

I am stunned. shock

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Tue 14-Jan-14 14:40:31


Annual house price growth rose faster than the cost of living in November, even if London is removed from the calculations, official figures show.

Wallison Sun 12-Jan-14 22:23:23

It's actually a bit more complicated, but as a rough rule of thumb working people only get HB if their rent is more than 2/3rd their income. Damn right that they want to be paying less than that. And also damn right that we as a country shouldn't be subsidising payments to their landlords that are more than that.

SaucyJack Sun 12-Jan-14 21:49:55

Our rent is roughly around a third of my DP's full-time wage a week- and that's for a council flat - so as cheap as rent can be round here."

That is peppercorn rent compared to the private sector. Many families pay half their monthly salary for a mortgage/ rent on a tiny property.

Lol- yes, I'm more than well aware that those in the private sector pay far more than those of us in not-for-profit social housing- and for far less tenancy rights. Round here, we'd be paying DP's whole salary on an equivalent private rental (tc's and hb notwithstanding)

That's, um, kinda the problem we've been talking about for the past week?[duncehat emoticon]

And do go and Google what a peppercorn rent actually is.

3asAbird Sun 12-Jan-14 21:44:44

been in current property nearly 10years.

in that time maybe landlords spent grand if that,
we landscaped garden
replaces most of dodgy flooring ourselves
repaint every year.

we fairly low maintainance.

we first got 6months.
then 12months but wouldent give us loger as he liked to up rent little each year.

every time we renewed tennancy they charged him admin fee and us. last lot was £90.

When i ring up they treat me like crap
rubbish communication.

go in and they pounce on me the i say im lettings and they say ohh go back.

They also have 2 numbers and if ring sales they get shirty.

they say the most stupid things
delay repairs.
inspections used to be annual but last few years they been quarterly which is nightmare rang shelter they said there is such thing as quiet enjoyment.

we have complained lot in 12months as getting fed up have avacado green bathroom 30years old falling apart and 30 year old kitchen falling part replaced with cheap nasty white units poorly by landlord which dont fit bottom units and narrow cant store much.

The gas man says place could do with new boilier
landlord des some stuff himself to save money badly.
hes ok not a people person, hates my kids.
hes annoyed with agents too and thinks they useless .

but now we have to move going to avoid current agents who treat us like crap never once been late with rent.

moving privatly so expensive we going to have to borrow to move as going to cost us 2hlalf grand to move and will be time delay in deposits if we get it all back mate had to go small claims with hers.

all very well saying complain but so many on short term tennancy of -12months they would just be given notice and new tennent moved in.

my landlord keep saying you know your rents cheap but place is dated falling part , 3beds but 3rd box , 1 reception , no garage we assume hes selling as would have spend money and take years to get money back on what he spends.

im glad t be leaving but worried about finding somewhere and how much will cost us and faced facts our rents going to be more now get anything half decent as we tied to area due to schools.

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 21:36:27

And I don't wish also to overlook those facing eviction who claim housing benefit because they don't work, it is just shocking that there are many that do.

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 21:24:05

Who said anything about wanting to live almost rent free?

In many respects the proportion of income spent on where you live is irrelevant, what matters is that the remainder covers essential living costs.

This clearly doesn't happen for a significant number of people in rented accommodation who work (and is what the thread is about).

I'd imagine what most people in working households want is to be able to pay their way, look after their families to the best of their abilities in the most meaningful way, with some sense of security for the future. And not be labelled as scroungers.

Wallison Sun 12-Jan-14 21:22:08

Where on earth did you get the idea that that constituted a 'peppercorn rent', ReallyTired? (And actually, can I just say now how much your username makes me boak? Cheers.)

Lazysuzanne Sun 12-Jan-14 20:27:15

yes, Reallytired yours is a clear misuse of the term 'peppercorn rent'

ComposHat Sun 12-Jan-14 19:50:10

really I would suggest you look up what a Peppercorn rent is.

ReallyTired Sun 12-Jan-14 19:43:10

Our rent is roughly around a third of my DP's full-time wage a week- and that's for a council flat - so as cheap as rent can be round here."

That is peppercorn rent compared to the private sector. Many families pay half their monthly salary for a mortgage/ rent on a tiny property.

I think that some posters don't realise how lucky they are.

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 19:26:33

Perhaps all renters should form a union and go on strike lol.

ComposHat Sun 12-Jan-14 19:20:16

Suzanne I agree. In a decade of renting I don't think I met a letting agent who has dome anything approaching a decent job. If some (most) of the landlords were arseholes, then letting agents were tagnuts.

Lazysuzanne Sun 12-Jan-14 19:13:43

bloody letting agents...leeches and pimps the lot of them angry

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 18:07:18


I do apologise shock

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 18:05:29

Stop our serving politicians (of ALL flavours) from holding property portfolios and they might be more inclined to fix this situation, rather than manipulating the rules to create more profit for themselves.

Yes, Mouthy, it would certainly ensure there were no conflicted interests.

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 17:49:52

The issue is making sure that the right people get low social rents.

Yes, you are right in some respects. But actually, if house prices and rents came down for everyone, and we acted to protect those against severe loss (ie losing the home they live in because of negative equity on a btl for example) then I'm not sure I'd object to wealthier people having more disposable income.

It would perhaps stop the resentment (that is so prevalent) that they are little better off than the "scroungers".

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 15:50:30

And I often wonder if we should change the way letting agents operate altogether. I'd like to see them regulated as some kind of social enterprise, unable to manipulate the landlord/tenant relationship for their own ends.

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 15:40:25

Re: tribunals, the trouble with this is that it is down to the tenant to become a "moaner". I would feel increasingly uncomfortable with taking things this far and expecting anything like a good working relationship with my landlord afterwards. Especially since most contracts are 6 months to a year, when the landlord could legally evict and then re-advertise at the rate he wants. I imagine this is what allows unscrupulous lls to chance their arm, and what puts people off moaning, not that they don't understand.

I agree letting agents are a big part of the problem. I know those locally who have admitted it is fairly customary to increase the rent by £50 or so each time a tenant has moved out, and I can see on the local market the same properties that come up every 6 months or year or so, seem to be going up in these increments each time they become available.

SaucyJack Sun 12-Jan-14 15:06:43

living almost rent free or paying peppercorn rent

Our rent is roughly around a third of my DP's full-time wage a week- and that's for a council flat - so as cheap as rent can be round here.

Exactly what planet are you living on where you think that counts as "almost rent-free"?

ReallyTired Sun 12-Jan-14 14:51:53

The UK already has rent controls. However rent controls is not the same as living almost rent free or paying peppercorn rent which is what some posters clearly want.


ReallyTired Sun 12-Jan-14 14:49:27

There is already the Residental Property Tribuanal for assured tenancies. The landlords cannot raise the rent more than once a year and if the landlord is too greedy then a residental property tribunal can lower the rent. There is no need for stricter laws, there is a need for tenants and landlords to understand their rights and responsiblities.

I feel that letting agencies are a significant part of the problem. If a council was prepared to act as a residental letting agency (offering a rent guarentee) then rents would be lower. At the moment many landlords pay 10 to 15% of the rent to a middle man who does sweet FA.

creamteas Sun 12-Jan-14 13:35:05

How does rent controls work for the tenant who wants the extra luxury and is not on housing benefit

Rent Control does not mean identical rents, and clearly if a property has additional assets (gym, pool) then the rent would be higher than one without.

It does mean that the LL cannot raise the rent when they feel like it as rents can be aligned with cost of living rates/average wage rises etc.

3asAbird Sun 12-Jan-14 12:48:03

no party wants to help a renter?

the new help to buy will just increase prices.

house prices on rise here

so much so my landlord wants to sell.

i have 2.5months need be out by 31st marh find new family home locally within private sector.

Im looking at 950-1000 for 3bed property.

£350 agency fees.
£1000+bond and 1months rent upfront.

cleaning and moving costs.

feeling pretty worries as stuff goes so quick and looking on right move so many dumps overpriced.

ReallyTired Sun 12-Jan-14 12:34:08

How does rent controls work for the tenant who wants the extra luxury and is not on housing benefit. There are different types of tenants with completely different needs.

Tenant A: Is from South Africa and has a well paid six month contract in the UK. He has chosen to rent a flat in an expensive luxury complex at about three times the rent of a council flat. His extra rent pays for secure parking, well kept gardens. The landlord pays a service charge(covered by the high rent) which gives his tenant access to a gym, tennis courts and a swimming pool on site.

Tenant B: Has just gone through a divorce and is renting short term until the family home is sold.

Tenant C: A family has moved to a new area and wants to know the town before commiting to buying.

"I've no objection in theory to the building of more social housing if it is needed and there is absolutely no alternative. But not if it results in the costs being transferred to HA tenants (& HB) in higher rents. I believe this is on the agenda and is the reason behind proposals to bring social rents more in line with market rates."

The issue is making sure that the right people get low social rents. The issue is making sure that low income people have enough money to live on. A family on 60K or even 30K does not need rent at present social housing levels.

NoseWiperExtraordinaire Sun 12-Jan-14 10:47:22

coco the issue will be when rent controls make renting not work, and if the value of their house is then less than what they paid, they end up owing more. It will be a real cost to them.

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