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to have less and less faith in DS teacher

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OrlandoWoolf Sat 30-Nov-13 13:24:39

He has to find some plurals for his spelling test.
Either she's being really clever or she does not actually know.


As she "has form" on homework mistakes and spelling errors - I suspect she does not know the mistake she's made.

FredFredGeorge Sat 30-Nov-13 13:31:26

die as the singular form of dice is pretty obsolete I'm afraid, YABU.

OrlandoWoolf Sat 30-Nov-13 13:32:59

The singular form of dice is die. Look in a dictionary and that's what it is.

DrankSangriaInThePark Sat 30-Nov-13 13:33:06

Maybe she is trying to see which child knows that dice is already plural?

SilverApples Sat 30-Nov-13 13:33:10

Depends if she's going to insist that the plural of dice is dices.
Wait and see.

noblegiraffe Sat 30-Nov-13 13:33:21

No one uses die as the singular for dice in real life.

SilverApples Sat 30-Nov-13 13:34:21

School isn't real life though, in the same way that I'm spotted as a nerd because I use whom. grin

FredFredGeorge Sat 30-Nov-13 13:34:58

A singular form of dice is "die", however the more common singular form is dice.

Here's what the OED say:

"In modern standard English, the singular die (rather than dice) is uncommon. Dice is used for both the singular and the plural."

"noun (plural same)

1a small cube with each side having a different number of spots on it, ranging from one to six, thrown and used in gambling and other games involving chance"

OrlandoWoolf Sat 30-Nov-13 13:35:58

I stand corrected. Apparently it is historical. When did history change?

I would use dice as the singular form - but technically I always thought that die was the correct version. Pedants would pick people up on that.

I just have little faith in her because of other errors she's made.

SilverApples Sat 30-Nov-13 13:36:47

But I have many polyhedra dice. So a die is not always a cube.
The definition is flawed.

SilverApples Sat 30-Nov-13 13:37:42

Language changes all the time.
That's why dictionaries get updated.

noblegiraffe Sat 30-Nov-13 13:37:52

I'm a maths teacher. None of the kids know what I'm on about if I say die.

It's going to disappear.

Along with people who use 'data' as if it is a plural.

SilverApples Sat 30-Nov-13 13:39:30

I still struggle with the evolution of that word.

scaevola Sat 30-Nov-13 13:40:56

"No one uses die as the singular for dice in real life."

Well, I often thought I was fairly invisible on MN, and this seems today that I don't exist at all. I am No One.

OrlandoWoolf Sat 30-Nov-13 13:42:12

No one told me about die.

I blame the teachers for not teaching it.

We've also got curriculum and chateau.

LindyHemming Sat 30-Nov-13 13:42:27

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SilverApples Sat 30-Nov-13 13:45:53

That would be curricula and chateaux ( with a circumflex over the first a in chateaux)

ErrorError Sat 30-Nov-13 13:53:23

Get your DS to write a really comprehensive response about how Die is the traditional singular term and Dice is the plural, but more commonly today, Dice is used to denote the singular, and Dices is the accepted plural.

She'll be well impressed. grin

UnknownGnome Sat 30-Nov-13 13:54:06

My 7 year old ds refers to it as a die and often corrects his younger sister. My pedantic ways are rubbing off on him!

OrlandoWoolf Sat 30-Nov-13 13:56:16

I was thinking about chateau. Do we do French or English?

IslaValargeone Sat 30-Nov-13 13:57:20

Some of us are hanging on to the old ways.
My 11 year old uses die.

OrlandoWoolf Sat 30-Nov-13 13:58:50

We've also got clergyman and chairman. My inner feminist is coming out.

JohnnyBarthes Sat 30-Nov-13 14:17:52

Use the French for château/châteaux, just as you would for gâteau.

The thing with clergyman is that up until recently, you didn't really get female clergy (at least not in the mainstream). I can't remember the last time I say "chairman" at work. Meetings are chaired by chairs <helpful>

rabbitlady Sat 30-Nov-13 14:27:51

she's a teacher, not God, you don't need to have faith in her!

BalloonSlayer Sat 30-Nov-13 14:39:32

Dices the accepted plural?! My arse!

I know that the correct singular is die, and realise that most people use the word dice for the singular these days. But I have NEVER heard anyone use the word "dices" to refer to more than one of them.

It'd be like saying "sheeps" - just dumb.

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