People who get frothy about removing pubic hair?(98 Posts)
I do get the whole pre-pubescent/pornstar thing.
but what about legs and pits?
Is that not the same argument?
Despite not really giving two hoots what other people do (and I know the whole shave/trim/plait thing has been done to death) but it confuses me.
sonlypuppyfat it's unhygienic because every time you wax/ shave you are making microscopic tears in your skin which allow bacteria into a very sensitive area of your body, as well as losing the pubic hair which traps bacteria in the first place.
It's a very tiny risk, not very significant, but it is there. When people say things like pubic hair looks dirty, unkempt etc. it always amuses me because actually it's the other way round. It's up to people to decide what risks they're willing to take with their bodies, most women will choose to accept this risk because they've internalised the message that pubic hair = ugly, uncomfortable "inconvenient" (!) etc. and looking in the mirror seeing it there will make them unhappy.
Our culture is very, very good at making women feel unhappy with their bodies. It has a vested interest in doing so, both for financial reasons and ideological ones.
Basil, I think sonly was questioning a poster who said the hair was unhygienic.
But otherwise, what you said.
I've been a young carer for disabled siblings since I was a child , (probably innapropriately)
When you've cut blood cots out of someones pubic hair, I couldn't wait to cut all mine off.
sorry TMI. but yeah the 'its cuz' of porn dear' argument isn't always correct.
Oh sorry, missed that.
Has someone already said that?
That pubic hair is unhygienic?
Marketers can tell us anything can't they.
Meek, I see your practical point and sorry you had to do that so young but doesn't the blood only clot in the underneath hair, so a trim down there but leaving the front alone would solve that, wouldn't it?
I'm not saying its unhygenic, if thats aimed at me.
but that is the moment I thought I want to shave, not viewing a pornstar.
A child of my age really shouldn't have been doing that so you could say trauma was involved.
But at the time yes It made me feel cleaner,
I don't all together anymore just neaten up around the bikini line interestingly.
Oh look. Women who remove the hair saying "I do x, but don't care if others do y"
Women who don't implying anyone who does is strange and it "looks like a plucked chicken"
Fuck off with your judgey pants. My pubes not yours. I'm not strange nor do I look like a plucked chicken.
I bet if I started saying your genitals must look like x as a result of non hair removal you'd think I was very rude.
Basil you are right - i was going to post that whilst i don't thnk that it is unhygenic, i don't think it is hygenic.
As i said up threaad somewhere - i occasionally shave (there is no way i am EVER waxing down there, ever!) just the relavent part which makes oral sex less hairy for DP and it does feel amazing when i am smooth (for oral) but i don't think it looks very nice, i'm thinking plucked chicken . It is a very personal thing that i do (not so much now) for our sex life, nothing to do wiht looks (who else sees my foof ffs!). I don't feel so clean down there when i have shaved though which is one of the reasons its a special treat
I actually have more of a problem with facial hair and the pressure from society not to have this! And legs - fuck off with that as well, i am blonde so i don't look like a yeti but i don't shave my legs or under my arms. I think that is more of an issue than shaving my vagina.
Tuonz, i am actually that you don't look like a plucked chicken, because i do
I look like a woman LEM, and regardless of hair or not i'm sure you do too.
I don't care what others do with theirs..
I hate having pubes so I shave it all off I've even mastered blind shaving take like 2 mins in the shower of an evening no big deal..
I first started doing it before I ever saw porn however it was around my second period I felt so dirty having bloody on pubes it always felt no matter how much you wiped it was still dirty... I trimmed that just made it feel like a garden brush so off with it all and I was much happier I personally felt cleaner..
I don't want pubes in my mouth and nor does dh we both shave but I shave even when I'm on my period so his not even going to see it...
This is just like the whole tattoos thread... Those who have tattoos and those who shave couldn't give a shiny shit what everyone else does
However those who don't have tattoos and don't shave feel the need to belittle and make nasty comments about those who do
The points that have been made about hygiene are very interesting - one of the reasons I carried on shaving was that it felt cleaner to me. In other debates on MN about this, I have seen the 'it's cleaner' argument break out, and have never said that I feel cleaner - but I do.
However, I accept that that is purely my perception, and doesn't chime with the facts.
I'd like to echo STGD and say that i've been shaving mine since i was about 15 and that is ALOT longer than a decade ago! (it's longer than 2 decades ago even) and has nothing to do with porn. I've always left a token 'landing strip' but hairless apart form that.
To begin with i think it was just to do with feeling cleaner and fresher and 'nicer' in the same way that shaving arm pits does.
As i got older i found also that sexual partners were appreciative of the lack of pubes up their nose. For years now it's been a habit the same as brushing my teeth, and takes up about 1 minute of my time apx twice a week. I don't get rashes, or itchy, or ingrowing hairs. I hate the feel of hairs all round my folds now and can't wait to get rid if for some reason i'm a bit late shaving.
The skin doesn't look 'shaved' (ie plucked chicken), but then i have fine hair on my head, so perhaps my pubes are fairly fine too in comparison with some women? (unsure of the actual texture of other women's pubes! )
Out of interest i hate shaved pubes on a man. My DH did it for a laugh once a few years ago and it was awful. All wrong. I willed it to grow back as fast as poss. and he hasn't done it since thank gawd.
lol i do look like a woman, but my fanny looks like a couple of chicken breasts
Yes STDG, I wax my armpits in summer and it feels cleaner and fresher - but I know that's just my perception, because from when I was a tiny child, I was bombarded by imagery which implied that and it's deep in my sub-consciousness that it is cleaner and more hygienic.
But I know it's just my internalised perceptions, it's not real.
But as Dumbledore said, BasilFucker - 'Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?'
The funny thing is, I have seen this discussion come up on a forum where the vast majority of users were men. It started during a discussion about the TV show Spartacus, when someone asked why the men where all circumsised and manscaped, yet the women were full haired. We spent several hundred posts discussing our own public hair habits and whether we had a circumsised penis. With several cross country comparisons (there were mostly Americans, Britains and Germans involved in the discussion).
So it's not just women who discuss this. It's what happens on open forums. You don't just turn and start discussing this sort of thing in the office, so you talk about it anonomously on an open forum. It's just human nature to prefer to discuss private things anonomously.
The perception is real.
But the perception is wrong, isn't it?
Miner's more badly wrapped kebab, LEM. Bloody childbirth.
Ah, theknights, I loved Spartacus, can't remember much of the story line though. Was it good
Personal choice to remove or not.
But the current "fashion" (and that is what it is) for removing it all may make those who decide not to feel wrong in their decision, and that is not a good thing.
I really enjoyed the story, personally. Some nice interpretations of history.
Although, I must say, that particular arguement got a lot more heated. Especially with regards to the circumcision part. There were pictures of various cheeses being posted to illustrate insults.
My Autumn Solstice resolution.
To not get involved in any discussion where a sensible, reasoned point of view is referred to as "frothing".
Ah, I'm familiar with another board which has a mostly male base. I've seen circumcision debates get worse than any hair or no threads.
To be fair I'd probably be a lot more mouthy if someone thought I should chop of something that wouldn't grow back or suggested that a decision I'd had no input in was having an adverse effect.
I suppose it would be like an arguement coming up on here that women should have their inner lips trimmed or something. You can only imagine how heated such a debate would get. Yes, some of us who still own foreskins were quite defensive of the little bits of skin we'd kept hold of.
Never thought of it like that. FGM (quite righlty) gets a huge response and it very emotive. Male circumcision seems to be going a similar way (from what I saw on another thread).
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