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damejudydench Tue 22-Oct-13 22:34:16

I was approached by an agency today for a short term PA role. Job is for a FTSE 250 supporting the CEO, CFO and management team just outside London. It looks like a full on role and I have a LOT of experience at that level.

Salary is £22k.

I have just looked at the company's Annual Report and the top three directors earn a total in excess of £5m (including pensions and incentives).

I'm wondering just how much bigger the pay gap is going to get.

Isabelonatricycle Wed 23-Oct-13 23:23:49

wukn80 this isn't an average PA job though. This is PA to the management team for a FTSE 250 company. Very different animals!

I agree that the salaries for said individuals is irrelevant, however, those figures should give an idea of the role and responsibilities their PA will have. Good PAs at the top end of companies will practically be running the organisation!

damejudydench Wed 23-Oct-13 23:15:26

Of course it's a professional role.

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what PAs actually do. I've been known to be on the phone to my boss at midnight making changes to his schedule for the next day (because the company has hit the headlines as the share price has plunged) and in the office at 6am in preparation for making 500 people redundant across EMEA.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf Wed 23-Oct-13 22:40:22

A PA IS a professional role hmm

DontmindifIdo Wed 23-Oct-13 22:00:58

In my experience, if they are offering a part time PA role, they know they can get it experience for silly low money.

Tell the agency you aren't interested in roles paying below £40k (or whatever your interest level is). If they want to forward your CV to the company, it should be with the clear explaination that you are looking for closer to £40k for it. It might be handy for the agency to send your CV with that information, they can then compare the CVs of those who will work for £22k and they might realise if they want degree and experience, they need to pay the market rates, or they accept they aren't getting someone experienced/educated for that money.

2468Motorway Wed 23-Oct-13 21:48:45

I don't think its unreasonable to compare with the salaries of the senior management. In this case it merely confirms that it's likely to be a full on job for a skilled person.

People on here comparing it to teachers and other roles are not comparing like with like, in the PA world this job is more like a headteacher. It's senior and requires experience and a complex skill set. I'm not a PA btw).

wukn80 Wed 23-Oct-13 21:21:18

I'm really shocked at some of the comments saying they'd expect double that, £50k etc etc

Are market rates for average PAs really that high in that locale? (I can understand exceptional ones, as in any job, but not par for the course)

If so, I think I studied the wrong subject at uni, neither of us earn anywhere near that and spent years gaining the professional qualifications needed to undertake even a junior role in our careers.

So, I think YABU (yes, even if it's London!) and if they can get someone to do that role at that salary, fair enough. if they're a crap candidate but cheap and they do the job "good enough", maybe "good enough" is acceptable. if it's not, they'll soon find out and have to re-recruit, potentially increasing the salary to the next rung to get better candidates.

I also don't think comparing it against the Snr Manager salaries is helpful - you're talking about fundamentally different skillsets, different legal obligations and barriers to entry.

ilovesooty Wed 23-Oct-13 21:00:19

Not many people love their jobs or their company though, ilovesooty

Absolutely and I feel privileged to work where I do. However I do struggle when there are inconsistent applications of the pay policy...yes, it's a tough one as you say.

Bumblequeen Wed 23-Oct-13 20:57:33

In the organisation I work for, the Admin Officers are paid far more than that.

£22k is a very poor salary considering you will be supporting Directors in a large organisation.

damejudydench Wed 23-Oct-13 20:55:02

Hmm... tough one.

Not many people love their jobs or their company though, ilovesooty.

Retroformica Wed 23-Oct-13 20:51:01

Just tell them that you are intestered but the salary is far too low.

ilovesooty Wed 23-Oct-13 20:47:38

My line manager is bricking himself at the possibility of my leaving damejudydench He doesn't think my particular skill set would be at all easy to replace.

I guess you can vote with your feet but it depends on what else is out there I could work for the Work Programme for less responsibility and quite a bit more money...but I love my company and my job.

However if I thought I'd earn enough from my self employment (private counselling practice) I'd have some tough choices. At the moment I have as many clients as I can cope with but I don't know if that would extend to 9-5 work.

It's all down to what your skills can command but in a recession it all gets very difficult.

damejudydench Wed 23-Oct-13 20:38:59

ilovesooty, that's so true. It wasn't that long ago a friend was telling me that when an employee left they had to pay well over and above her salary to even find a replacement (let alone a decent one!).

I guess you can vote with your feet but it depends on what else is out there.

I'm not even actively looking for a job at the moment thankfully.

ilovesooty Wed 23-Oct-13 20:26:51

Sorry about that. Cat on keyboard. grin

ilovesooty Wed 23-Oct-13 20:26:03

You can also see the payscale before you apply f77777777777777ntion (as stated in the contract)or training so you know what you're letting yourself in for, Wispy

Unless the conditions change after you train and begin the job of course. hmm

Incidentally I deliver employability advice in a criminal justice setting for prolific offenders and Class A drug users. The intervention (as stated in the contract) can only be delivered by someone with an IAG qualification above L4 who is also a qualified teacher. I get just over 22K. I'm currently working on convincing my company that if I were to leave they would never fill my post on that money.

I'm basically saying I suppose that everything is down to supply and demand. If the OP knows her skills are worth more than the money on offer the company is the loser if they fail to attract the best.

damejudydench Wed 23-Oct-13 19:30:45

Historically, teacher salaries have always been on the low side. You can also see the payscale before you apply for training so you know what you're letting yourself in for, Wispy.

This job is paying the same as the doddly one I was doing 12 years ago, for seven more people in a multi-million pound business. They want a graduate with experience. That sort of PA doesn't just make the tea and type a couple of letters.

Chunderella Wed 23-Oct-13 19:06:09

Really wispy? I thought the starting salary was 22k now, shows what I know.

Mandy2003 Wed 23-Oct-13 18:57:03

My friend's DD is a PA for someone in the media. Her salary is around 50k.

wispywoo1 Wed 23-Oct-13 18:47:13

As a teacher I received less than that last year. Yes I think YABU.

damejudydench Wed 23-Oct-13 16:49:25

And a 60 hour week probably works out at about £8 per hour.

It's looking more and more appealing... confused

antimatter Wed 23-Oct-13 16:40:55

I think I know which company you may be talking about
Sadly they assume they will get a quality top PA (working 60 hour week at the very least I guess) for that money whilst they spend more than that a month on entertaining and refreshments for their meetings.

MumblingMummy Wed 23-Oct-13 16:19:07

lainiekaza Yes, there are still secretaries of one form or another including Legal Secretaries and Medical Secretaries. Salaries average out at roughly £25k p.a. depending on location and experience. A PA is a different kettle of fish all together though with salaries ranging from £20K to £80k.

damejudydench Wed 23-Oct-13 15:49:59

Yes, there are still dolly birds about. My last company employed two; one as a temp and another full time. Both were early twenties. They were both lovely girls but completely clueless because they didn't have any experience and needed direction all the time. Director concerned was a sucker for a pretty face/sharp suit. wink

No, you can't be part-time HopALongOn but if you asked a director how long they thought it took to find and book a flight they'd probably tell you about 10 seconds. Same as shifting a meeting (for the twentieth time). So...

25 hours ÷ 8 directors = 3.125 hours per director


ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Wed 23-Oct-13 15:21:20

There's surely no way you can be a part-time PA in that situation, unless you are part of a bank of PAs in which case the job sounds bloody hellish anyway. I was a PA for a small vol sec org and it's hard work. That salary is a joke.

southeastdweller Wed 23-Oct-13 14:22:24

For the role, location and business, the salary is shite and YY to them wanting a young dollybird type who can easily get by on that much.

willyoulistentome Wed 23-Oct-13 14:06:05

It's crap, but it's the way of the world. I have worked in Credit for nearly 20 years, and the wages being offered for credit controllers today are pretty much the same as when I started doing it 20 years ogo. I'm about to be made redundant and I am bricking it. Will probably have to take a 50% pay cut from my not quite full time job and have tp take a full time role.

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