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to genuinely not understand why smoking is vilified

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Redpipe Mon 14-Oct-13 12:41:28

and yet drinking, overeating and other addictions that cost the NHS huge sums of money are not?

AIBU to genuinely not understand why it is just smokers in this country that are socially unaccepted?

PlentyOfPubeGardens Mon 21-Oct-13 18:16:19

Yes, definitely worth a try, the book has a fairly high success rate, IIRC.

TheGhostofAmandaClarke Mon 21-Oct-13 13:15:18

That's a good point that one method doesn't work for everyone.
But there are undeniable truths in his book.
It's defninitely worth a read IMHO.
His instruction is to about never, never, ever partaking of nicotine in any form because of course, if you do, then you're right back off the wagon and on the fag bus. I didn't follow that properly after reading the first book. blush
Then I read the second book and didn't touch it after that.the second book really worked for me.

PlentyOfPubeGardens Mon 21-Oct-13 12:49:00

Allen Carr's book didn't work for me. The first time I read it I managed to stop smoking for about a month, then I had 'just one' on an evening out and was back smoking as normal within a week. I re-read the book but didn't last out a day without a fag. Everybody was raving about his method though so I thought it must be me, so I forked out to go to one of his sessions. I lasted two miserable days after that. I don't know if they still do, but back then if you went to the session and didn't manage to stop smoking you could go back for a follow-up session for free, so I did that. There were people there who were back for the seventh or eighth time and still hadn't managed to stop.

I'm really pleased it worked for you, TheGhost, but I think it's important to acknowledge that no single method will work for everybody - and I'd say the same about ecigs too.

TheGhostofAmandaClarke Mon 21-Oct-13 12:09:40

mycoil I am certainly not judging you. I save my rage for the tobacco companies peddling their shit.

But on the subject of smoking and quitting I can honestly say that there is almost no difference between stopping now and stopping when the "time is right".

It's a mistake to think that cigarettes offer any kind of help or relief from the stress you're going through. And the nicotine replacement manufacturers and the makers of e cigarettes are of course very happy to perpetuate the myth that nicotine is really hard to give up. It's not. It's a bit niggly at first, resisting a few days worth of cravings.
Most smokers go all night without a cigarette, many last a whole day at work dealing with challenging situations without having a cigarette. It's a myth that smoking offers any kind of relaxation or stress relief.
The strength required to stop smoking is minimal. Certainly nothing in comparison with the strength you've had to muster.
So.if and when you want to stop. Read that book and stop. It won't hurt a bit. I promise.
Or don't.

<steps off soapbox>

Tiredmumno1 Mon 21-Oct-13 11:29:46


WinkyWinkola Mon 21-Oct-13 10:11:16

Unless they affect other people's quality of life that is.

Tiredmumno1 Mon 21-Oct-13 10:09:42

well done for trying though mycoil, and as bigbrick says you will do it when you are ready smile . I certainly am not judging people can live their lives as they please, nowt to do with anyone else.

WinkyWinkola Mon 21-Oct-13 06:50:15

I have every sympathy for someone who has suffered the way you describe.

But the post was about why smoking is vilified. That is what I and most people are responding to.

bigbrick Mon 21-Oct-13 00:18:59

MyCoil you are keeping the smoke away from others & I wish everyone could be as thoughtful as you in that respect. You will stop when the time is right for you.

MyCoilPicksUpGaydar Mon 21-Oct-13 00:18:54

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MyCoilPicksUpGaydar Mon 21-Oct-13 00:11:59

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Tiredmumno1 Sun 20-Oct-13 23:05:15

mycoil I just wondered if you had read this thread

Just in case it was of any help to you, although you may have tried ideas like this before, so just ignore me if you don't think it could help. It seems to have helped lots of others including my DH, just a little idea for you smile

WinkyWinkola Sun 20-Oct-13 22:29:33

Facts are high horses?

What total crap.

MyCoilPicksUpGaydar Sun 20-Oct-13 21:17:38

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MyCoilPicksUpGaydar Sun 20-Oct-13 21:16:56

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WinkyWinkola Thu 17-Oct-13 12:56:16

Friday16, so we should continue to manufacture and peddle this stuff because it creates jobs?

Oh okay then. I guess it keeps the nurses and doctors busy too, treating lung cancer, emphysema etc.

And the revenues + employment created by spin off tobacco substitute products.

Everyone's a winner.

I have now seen the light and think everyone should be made to smoke in that case. hmm

TheGhostofAmandaClarke Thu 17-Oct-13 09:34:58

I smoked for years.
Then I read Allen Carr's "Easyway to stop smoking" and quit.
Five years ago. It was the (secondony to having my DCs) the best thing I ever did.
The withdrawal was minimal. I am slimmer now than I was then, I am obviously much healthier.
At the centre of his book, for me, we're these truths:
1. Smoking is nothing more nor less than a way to feed a nicotine addiction.
2. Smoking does absolutely nothing for you in terms of confidence, stress relief or concentration.
3. It's actually piss easy to stop smoking.

I am pretty evangelical about it. I am shocked that I spent so many years poisoning my body and literally burning money.

TiredDog Thu 17-Oct-13 07:42:56

I don't personally care if someone smokes tbh as long as they don't do it around me. Smoking laws have been brilliant.

I spent some time yesterday chatting to a patient who has just been diagnosed with lung cancer. He is newly retired and planning to use his early retirement to spend time with his grandchildren, garden, travel and enjoy himself. He told me all of this whilst I waited for a suitable opportunity to discuss the results of his recent tests... He announced that the problem which had caused him to have these tests had made him seriously consider his health and he'd given up smoking the same day of the test. Too late sadly. I listened to all this, knowing what I had to tell him. So on that very sad and uncomfortable level I was wailing internally at the waste of life caused by his smoking. Lovely bloke, positive outlook and looking forward to his future until I crushed all of that. That doesn't make me view smoking so tolerantly.

Over eating. YANBU
Alcohol. YANBU

These are the new lifestyle choices that will affect people's health.

However everyone has a choice and no one can claim they don't know the outcome so I don't judge. I do however wish people would make their personal choice but not condemn their children to a similar lifestyle

People who smoke around children...yes I judge you. Selfish and harmful

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 17-Oct-13 07:32:45

but surely if people did not smoke, they would spent the money on something else?

creating different jobs.

friday16 Thu 17-Oct-13 07:23:20

this foul product that kills and has zero benefit for anyone apart from the shareholders of BAT and Mr. Ken Clarke.

BAT employ quite a lot of people. I suspect they prefer it to unemployment.

WinkyWinkola Thu 17-Oct-13 00:55:12

And fwiw, I really think cigarette addiction is a pretty bad addiction. There are so many chemicals in a cigarette that are introduced by the manufacturers to create and maintain addiction.

But I reckon if I can kick my devoted fag habit, anyone can.

I personally can't understand why there isn't more outrage about this foul product that kills and has zero benefit for anyone apart from the shareholders of BAT and Mr. Ken Clarke.

WinkyWinkola Thu 17-Oct-13 00:51:31

Plenty, well done. That's really brilliant news. You should be really proud of yourself.

Tobacco companies spend ££££ on making their products as addictive as possible.

Give them the finger and spend that wasted fag money on something that makes you truly happy.

Minifingers Wed 16-Oct-13 22:28:47

Pleased for you Plenty! :-)

Fluffyears Wed 16-Oct-13 22:08:13

Aargh posted too soon.

I find most smokers quite selfish, they walk down the street wafting their stinky smoke behind them into other people's faces. Last week in a queue for the cash machine the guy in front of me was merrily puffing away not caring that he was affecting everyone in that queue. Your lungs, your choice, my choice is not to spend a fortune on something that will kill me x

Fluffyears Wed 16-Oct-13 22:05:01

I grew up with chain smoking parents and was teased by peers 'ew you REEK of smoke!'' It had an effect on me and I now have paranoia over smelling. I shower twice a day and carry 2 deodorants everywhere convinced I still smell. I am extremely anti-smoking and find it sad seeing those people outside like slaves to their addiction.

I find most sm

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