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to think Halal meat is cruel?

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IAmMiranda Fri 04-Oct-13 13:36:30

Bought a very nice panini today (bacon, brie and cranberry) from the local sandwich shop.

I didn't realise at the time that all the meat in that shop is Halal, which I am strongly opposed to.

Here is Wiki's description of Halal

^"Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of Allah") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained."

AIBU to think this seems unnecessarily cruel?

(I realise the UK meat industry is far from perfect but this seems particularly nasty)

Fakebook Fri 04-Oct-13 13:37:46

Halal bacon? confused.

livinginwonderland Fri 04-Oct-13 13:39:33

Why is it more cruel than how "regular" meat is slaughtered?

sebsmummy1 Fri 04-Oct-13 13:40:17

From what I understand the animals have to be alive when they are slaughtered to hear the prayer. If this is true then yes it is bloody cruel.

FreudiansSlipper Fri 04-Oct-13 13:40:37

really have you seen the slaughter of non halal animals

it is all cruel how we treat animals in mass production of meat/dairy products. the animals are meant to die very quickly, the animal is meant to not feel fear before and the blood is drained after the animal is dead (so it does not go off so quickly)

WahIzzit Fri 04-Oct-13 13:41:13

Halal bacon grin now thats a first!

FreudiansSlipper Fri 04-Oct-13 13:41:32

halal bacon i wonder what that is like grin

OvaryAction Fri 04-Oct-13 13:42:29

You obviously haven't looked fully into the way animals are slaughtered 'regular' meat.

educational viewing

LuisSuarezTeeth Fri 04-Oct-13 13:42:37

A very unusual shop, nay, unique shop that sells halal bacon.

DeepPurple Fri 04-Oct-13 13:42:38

Halal bacon? Really OP hmm

FreudiansSlipper Fri 04-Oct-13 13:42:42

what do you think the animal understands the prayer so is aware it is about to have its throat slit?

livinginwonderland Fri 04-Oct-13 13:43:10

From what I understand the animals have to be alive when they are slaughtered

well. yes. You can't be slaughtered if you're dead.

sebsmummy1 Fri 04-Oct-13 13:43:27

LIWL if regular meat is slaughtered correctly ( ie by an abattoir that is following correct guidelines) they are stunned before they are slaughtered. So one would assume they feel less pain.

None of this accounts for the terror and anxiety the animals feel whilst being transported and herded into the slaughter house though. They can smell death and sense the fear in animals before them, so I'm sure they are terrified.

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Fri 04-Oct-13 13:44:28

It's all bloody cruel. There's no way mass production of meat and dairy could be anything but cruel.

Now where can I get this halal baconhmm

whathappenedlastnight Fri 04-Oct-13 13:44:48

I might be wrong but Halal bacon is usually turkey bacon.

but yes IMO it is very crule.

WahIzzit Fri 04-Oct-13 13:45:27

Hm if I was a sheep, would I rather be electrocuted to death or have a sharp knife taken swiftly to my neck whilst my face is covered ( as is the true halal method whereby no animal can see the knife or the slaughtering of its buddies). I think I would probably prefer the latter!

BurberryQ Fri 04-Oct-13 13:46:33

I used to work in a halal shop, guy came in and asked for a ham roll - maybe it was OP's brother.
these halal threads are getting a bit tedious now.

Faverolles Fri 04-Oct-13 13:46:36

The vast majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter now.

I wonder what the demand on halal bacon is though?

crescentmoon Fri 04-Oct-13 13:46:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DoItTooJulia Fri 04-Oct-13 13:47:38

Slaughterhouses often deal with both halal and non halal slaughter. Often the only difference is for halal slaughter a tape of the appropriate prayer is played on a loop. This is especially true of mechanised slaughter and mechanised chicken slaughter.

Stun free halal is different however.

As everyone else has pointed out, your bacon will not have been halal.

SoftSheen Fri 04-Oct-13 13:47:45

You can get Halal 'bacon'- it is made of chicken, turkey or beef.

Unfortunately no slaughter process is pleasant, and the only real way to avoid cruelty is to become a vegan (which I'm not btw).

FreudiansSlipper Fri 04-Oct-13 13:47:47

i have seen a lamb (well big lamb maybe she was technically a sheep) slaughtered in this way. was very quick yes distressing i saw it accidentally, then of course could not turn away

she had a lovely life before well certainly her last 30 days were when she was fussed over and feed lots. she tasted very nice too

FreudiansSlipper Fri 04-Oct-13 13:48:16

distressing to see, distress to the sheep was minimal

lostinindia Fri 04-Oct-13 13:48:21

'From what I understand the animals have to be alive when they are slaughtered`

This made me smile. Not much point in slaughtering dead animals.

Not sure about not causing stress as they're hung from their find legs prior to having their throats cut. That would stress me out!

BillyBanter Fri 04-Oct-13 13:49:43

There are very few pleasant ways to die.

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