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to ask how people who are anti-immigration feel when they hear about migrant boating disasters?

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alma123 Thu 03-Oct-13 21:52:24

Question sums it up really.

IamSlave Fri 04-Oct-13 10:42:19

I do not think I have ever heard anyone be totally anti immigration, certainly not in the UK where we have a diverse and welcoming society, more so indeed than lots of other EU countries.

I think the UK is obviously suffering problems from too much immigration, that doesn't make people anti immigration,

Indeed it worries me that because on the one hand, we have open borders with the EU, that when you get really sad tragic cases, like those escaping from political persecution eg Zimbabwe then we send then back and use them as an example of being tough on " immigration". I would rather be able to provide safe haven for refugess like that.

I think the way in which the ops question is posed shows an inate understanding of the whole issue.Maybe op is a teenager?

IamSlave Fri 04-Oct-13 10:42:42

"mis" understanding of the issue

NK493efc93X1277dd3d6d4 Fri 04-Oct-13 10:50:29

There's an idea. Just allow everyone who wants to come to walk in unchecked and then nobody else would die in trying to do so illegaly. Perhaps lay on free transport to ensure only safe means of travel are used.

Bananagio Fri 04-Oct-13 11:48:02

Don't think anyone is suggesting anything like that NK and it is a pretty ignorant, simplistic and offensive remark to make when half the bodies haven't even been found yet. Italy is having a day of mourning today. Granted some of our lunatic MPs in the Lega Nord are already trying to make political capital out of it but that is only to be expected by them. Everyone else here on all sides of the political spectrum are just recognising it for the human tragedy it is and are pleading for EU help to stop this "massacre of the innocents" as the President of Italy has described it. It is really not often that I look at the governing powers that be in Italy and feel they are taking the high ground over the UK et al, indeed I have spent most of this week despairing of them, but as I continue to be deafened by the silence of the response of William Hague regarding this latest disaster that is certainly the case today!

CuChullain Fri 04-Oct-13 11:58:26

Everyone knows why they try to get here, but it's difficult to see how we can stop this kind of thing happening. Aid is irrelevant to this. It's important, but no reasonable amount of aid is going to lift Somalia and Eritrea up to European living standards - so they will keep coming.

So how do we prevent these deaths? Italy already spends a lot of money trying to rescue people from sinking boats. So do we undercut the crooks by establishing a regular ferry service with good facilitities and no questions asked? Of course not.

Maybe the best thing is to make it as difficult as possible for people to get in once they have landed. Make sure everyone knows that if they come by boat they will be treated well but sent straight back. Perhaps that will reduce the numbers who try, and reduce the chances of something so awful happening again.

Thumbwitch Fri 04-Oct-13 12:02:07

That's what they've been trying in Australia, CuChullain.
They are now putting out tv ads on Aussie tv to say "boat people WILL be sent back again, they will NOT be able to stay" so that anyone here who knows anyone thinking about illegal entry on a boat will try and put them off.
I doubt it will make any difference, tbh. sad

BurberryQ Fri 04-Oct-13 12:04:41

your question seems to assume that anyone who is anti-immigration is an inhumane heartless bastard.
i personally think immigration should be curbed but to hear of a boatload of people dying is just tragic.

alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 18:34:54

Maybe I'm in the minority in that I know people who are vehemently anti-immigration and they are pretty heartless tbh. Guess that's an easy position for some people to take when they're living in comfortable circumstances.

complexnumber Fri 04-Oct-13 18:37:56

Thankfully, yes, I believe you are in the minority.

Highlander Fri 04-Oct-13 18:38:48

I'm very open to immigration for skilled migrants and refuges. I love meeting people from cultures that are widely different to my own. I think it makes our lives in the UK are richer experience.

But I reported a potential student who had breached the conditions of her visa.

SirChenjin Fri 04-Oct-13 19:18:41

Is that why you started such a ridiculous thread then Alma?

alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 20:26:04

You are entitled to your opinion SirChenjin but this is an open forum and it was a genuine question (and I'm not going to stop asking a genuine question because you think it is ridiculous!)

ModeratelyObvious Fri 04-Oct-13 20:52:27

Alma, if you know people who think immigrants drowning is some kind of positive thing, I hope you can avoid them as much as possible.

alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 21:00:32

I wouldn't go so far as to say they would openly say it is a positive thing but neither are they capable of empathising with the circumstances that drive people to take such risks.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Fri 04-Oct-13 21:02:32


alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 21:11:44

You don't that people like that exist then do you?

Donkeyok Fri 04-Oct-13 21:49:18

just stupid post

Thisisaeuphemism Fri 04-Oct-13 22:01:10

If we want to have a welfare state then there must be controls on immigration.

This is a terrible tragedy and I feel gutted for these people and their families. I would have been on there if I were in their position.

alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 22:01:12


SirChenjin Fri 04-Oct-13 22:09:33

this is an open forum and it was a genuine question (and I'm not going to stop asking a genuine question because you think it is ridiculous!)

Really? That constitutes a genuine question in your mind? Well, hopefully the posts above will explain in more detail why it was a ridiculous question.

alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 22:13:44

Yes, really and I've read the other responses thank you SirChenjin. I was genuinely interested to canvas opinion rather than to stifle debate which seems to be your intention.

SirChenjin Fri 04-Oct-13 22:15:54

Excellent. So now you will realise that the general 'opinion' is that your question was ridiculous.

alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 22:17:08

I have heard various people in real everyday life express strong views about immigration. I just wondered whether hearing of these disasters altered or had any bearing on people who have such views.

alma123 Fri 04-Oct-13 22:18:20

As I've said SirChenjin, I'm not going to allow you to bully or belittle me. Who do you think you are?

SirChenjin Fri 04-Oct-13 22:22:44

As has been explained to you, it's perfectly possible to be against uncontrolled immigration AND feel horror and revulsion at the news that so many have died.

I'm honestly surprised that anyone wouldn't understand that.

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