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To think that a blanket ban on benefits for under 25s

(326 Posts)
pointythings Wed 02-Oct-13 12:23:31

Is not only blatantly unfair but also unworkable?

Under a future Tory government, you can leave school at 18, work, lose your job at 23 and be forced straight onto workfare, because you are not eligible for benefits - never mind that you've worked and paid in!

And isn't it blatant age discrimination? Every time I think the Conservatices can't sink any lower, they do...

Was this mooted at their conference? I hadn't heard about it.

NotYoMomma Wed 02-Oct-13 12:28:08

have they announced this at the conference?!

I was engaged and moved out at 21 shock and had been working since I was 16!

no benefits at all or no jsa?

teenagetantrums Wed 02-Oct-13 12:31:13

its unworkable, what about parents who work and are under 25? so not child tax credit, housing benefit, child benefit? If those parents lost their jobs no JSA so no food for themselves and their family?

Tweasels Wed 02-Oct-13 12:35:24

Stopping benefits in any age group doesn't' equal more people into work. It's another lame attempt to get the frothy seethers on side.

It will also send crime rates soaring which is great news when you're bringing in compulsory redundancies in the Police.

SpiritOfTheBuskersCat Wed 02-Oct-13 12:36:27

Are they on glue?

insancerre Wed 02-Oct-13 12:39:41

it's just yet another way of demonising and stigmatising another section of society
it's what they are experts in

Stravy Wed 02-Oct-13 12:43:50

Have they announced this? They are twats. They love a bit of divide and rule. If they aren't entitled to benefits then surely they shouldn't have to pay tax and NI either.

pointythings Wed 02-Oct-13 12:44:01

Yes, this was mooted at the conference today - it's hot off the presses, David Cameron finished his speech about 40 minutes ago. this article is not entirely clear about which benefits it applies to. this article here seems to apply it will be housing benefit, but does not rule out dole.

It's such a diabolically bad idea my head is spinning.

kotinka Wed 02-Oct-13 12:45:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Makqueen2 Wed 02-Oct-13 12:45:56

Well, I'd have been screwed.

I claimed partial housing benefit from 18, as although I worked, it was only just enough to cover rent on a room.

It is a ridiculous notion.

Stravy Wed 02-Oct-13 12:48:27

Are the parents of under 25's going to be allowed to keep their 'spare rooms'? (if you are lucky enough to have parents, and live in the same town as them, and they feel inclined to let you stay)

pussinwellyboots Wed 02-Oct-13 12:49:20

Also the government is rarely keen to extend funding for young people in or leaving care beyond 18. Many young people not just those in care do not have the supportive family that we would like them to have. Sounds good when talking about well supported young people in nice homes but that is not the reality fit many

TheOrcHeadKeeper Wed 02-Oct-13 12:55:43

I'm 23. I'm sure my mum would just love to give up her box room to me and my 3 year old. We'd have to share a bed of course. And I'd have to give up studying as she'd have to kick her lodger out so we could move in and she'd then not be able to afford her mortgage so I'd have to find work and be stuck in a min wage job for ages rather than qualify in a few years time and be off benefits for good. Hmm I see no flaw in this plan hmm

makemineabacardi Wed 02-Oct-13 13:03:36

Not surprising really. The Tories don't give a toss about the young, they're not their core voters.

HorryIsUpduffed Wed 02-Oct-13 13:06:44

That's completely insane. We hear very often of teenagers forced out of the "family" home with nothing to fall back on but the state, and managing to claw their way out of poverty with the support of benefits to become fully paid-up members of society.

"Sorry, you'll have to stay in the home where your family hate you, because you'll get fuck all if you move out, based on your date of birth."

havingamadmoment Wed 02-Oct-13 13:09:43

Its insane, from 17 I had no parents to go to, if this actually goes through there will be a lot of homeless young people surely?!

You see, young people? This is what happens when you don't fucking vote!

See this graph here? That's why you're getting screwed. How many cuts to pensions have there been, eh? Eh?

manicinsomniac Wed 02-Oct-13 13:12:18

That's totally insane. I had 2 children by age 24 and am a single mum. If I'd lost my job (which comes with housing) then I'd have been luckier than most as my mum would have had the willingness and the space in the house she owns outright to take us in. But it would have meant moving 250 miles North to a place with very few job opportunities.

Crazy. It will cause far more problems than it solves (if it will even solve any!)

HorryIsUpduffed Wed 02-Oct-13 13:42:51

How many cuts to pensions have there been, eh? Eh?

Well quite. Because those pensioners get out and vote. Nobody wants to piss them off.

BrokenSunglasses Wed 02-Oct-13 13:48:04

I think 25 is too old, but I'd agree if it were 21 and there were other provisions in place, such as no tuition fees and child benefit continued until the 'child' had finished education.

I agree that something needs to be done to discourage people having children before they have had enough years in work to be able to support them though, and I say that as someone who was pregnant at 19.

littlemisssarcastic Wed 02-Oct-13 13:49:18

Yet many pensioners are still pissed off, so in many pensioners opinions, voting hasn't been as productive for them as they'd hoped.
AFAIC pensioners have been the least affected by the cuts so far, but I'm not convinced they would agree.

Darkesteyes Wed 02-Oct-13 13:51:46

I hope someone from the media thinks to ask this lady what her opinions are of the proposals.
Jenni Fagan......author of The Panopticon.


candycoatedwaterdrops Wed 02-Oct-13 13:56:39

Is it just JSA or disability benefits too?

piratecat Wed 02-Oct-13 14:01:18

so if my dd left for university but had to come back home and couldn't find a job. she would be allowed to stay in my home but not claim anything. and in doing that i would also not be allowed my council place because i would be under occupying. this is if i were claiming benefits too of course. and she can't get housing Ben independently. so not only would she be without any money she would be making the country look worse by having to sleep rough.
oh something like that.


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