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To think teachers are actually better off than those in the private sector

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coco44 Mon 30-Sep-13 19:53:33

(Mumsnet Bosses
Please may I rephrase the debate in a more measured way)

coco44 Mon 30-Sep-13 20:10:52

What do you mean by 'self funding' - are you trying to say that the sate (as a teacher' s employer) pays nothing in?
They pay in more than the employee!

coco44 Mon 30-Sep-13 20:11:30

and why do teachers think they shouldn't have to retire at the same age as everyone else.I gather that is one of their major beefs

Johnny5needsinput Mon 30-Sep-13 20:11:46

What is your job coco?

HRHLadyG Mon 30-Sep-13 20:11:49

Op....what is your criteria for 'better'? You can't expect an objective debate whilst presenting such a vague, and ultimately, subjective question. x

FactOfTheMatter Mon 30-Sep-13 20:12:04


Autocorrect trying to make me look stupid.

SPBisResisting Mon 30-Sep-13 20:12:13

Be interesting to see if the OP gets the pension thing.

Souredstones Mon 30-Sep-13 20:12:17

Where has the op gone? It seems her issue is with the public sector not teaching

Euphemia Mon 30-Sep-13 20:12:50

coco No-one wants to retire at 68, or have you missed other workers' recent protests?

coco44 Mon 30-Sep-13 20:12:57

'Why do people get so incensed about teachers' pay and conditions'

because they never stop moaning about what hard-done-by martyrs they are!!

Lilithmoon Mon 30-Sep-13 20:13:24

I think pretty much everyone is in this country is better off than millions of people across the world. What is your point OP?
It's shit for some people in the private sector so it should be shit for everyone else?
If you don't like it bloody well do something about it instead of spouting crap on here!!

misskatamari Mon 30-Sep-13 20:13:42

Oh god - teaching isn't skilled? Coco - become a teacher if it's so bloody easy. Your comments are ridiculous and you obviously don't have the first clue about what it means to be in education today. Until you do you might want to fuck off and bitch about another profession!

Souredstones Mon 30-Sep-13 20:14:06

Many professions retire early due to stress on the body

Police can't work past 50 or 55 depending on their role
Firemen retire early

Stands to reason teachers might but then should social workers, nurses, doctors? What age do you begin to out others at risk?

(Sorry for the random musing there!)

Fairenuff Mon 30-Sep-13 20:14:25

What's your job coco?

Johnny5needsinput Mon 30-Sep-13 20:14:44

What is your job coco?

coco44 Mon 30-Sep-13 20:14:47

You don't hear say council clerks whining all the time.It really is the incessant whining about how hard they work, how badly they get paid, how no one respects them, that does my head in!
You get 13 weeks off!!!!

FactOfTheMatter Mon 30-Sep-13 20:14:50

Your opinion is wrong.

extracrunchy Mon 30-Sep-13 20:15:32

"I don't think teaching is a particularly difficult or skilled job"
Just wow.

janey68 Mon 30-Sep-13 20:15:33

You're the one moaning and whining OP.
And don't forget to tell us what your incredibly difficult degree subject was, and also your job title

HRHLadyG Mon 30-Sep-13 20:15:34

I'm not moaning. I love being a teacher and my colleagues are a happy bunch too.
Some people choose their careers for reasons other than material gain, that said I'm very happy with my salary too!

So......what's your criteria for 'better'? x

chosenone Mon 30-Sep-13 20:15:40

I think we would have more respect if you went and at least volunteered in a school and maybe shadowed a few people, the Senco, the nqt on friday last lesson, anyone teaching in inner city schools. Then come back and give opioions based on what you have seen and experienced. E.g. I could say being a GP Is easy , sat down all day googling symptoms, being a manager of Tesco is easy, delegating all the hard work, going to the loo when ever you want, being a finance manager is easy, sitting down and using a calculator to do the hard work....etc etc but I wont I can't compare because I am not well enough informed.

If you want your children taught by burnt out 67 year olds, your childs progress being used as a tool to decide whether or not they get a payrise, class sizes of 40, a curriculum based on eton and not recommendations of professionals, parents being fi ed for term time holidays, GCSE grade boundaries changing after students have set the exam then fine don't support the strike. We care about education that is the difference.

Cityofgold Mon 30-Sep-13 20:15:43

It is a bit daft to measure teachers against 'everyone' in the private sector. It is after all a free market and individuals in both sectors can change jobs if they wish. For those who think teaching is easy street, take out a loan do a PGCE and good luck. For those teachers who think they are underpaid; hit the job section of the papers.
My wife is seriously contemplating giving up her £60K+ job as a lawyer to retrain as a teacher. I would quite like to move out of the military and be a teacher - one of us needs to keep earning to pay a mortgage!
Of note my pension after 16 years service is already more that my wife's is projected to be in another 20 years. So the public sector is much better off in many ways - a bit less whinging on the part of public sector workers with how hard we have it might be appropriate.

Orangeanddemons Mon 30-Sep-13 20:15:45

Why don't you tell us what you do Coco. You know so we can all judge you..<feels to exhausted to carry on>

Souredstones Mon 30-Sep-13 20:15:55

Coco clearly you have an issue with the public sector.

Join it.

Then realise why public sector workers complain

Euphemia Mon 30-Sep-13 20:16:03

coco Does the same apply to firefighters, doctors, prison officers? Are they whinging martyrs as well?

Arisbottle Mon 30-Sep-13 20:16:06

They probably are better off than some people in the private sector.

I took a huge paycut to become a teacher and even though I am now a senior teacher I am still earning around 50% of my previous wage, when taking into account bonuses etc.

However I see more of my children, I get to do bugger all for twelve weeks a year and am much happier - that is worth more to me than a big wage packet.

So I think I am better off as a teacher than in the private sector even though there are no bonuses, share options etc.

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