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Pigsmummy Thu 05-Sep-13 10:52:56

I am returning to work very soon after 11 months maternity leave, I work for a major PLC with over 85,000 employees in the UK, many of these work from home (not sure if that's relevant).

I have been told that my role isn't available part time, as it's a single point of contact, customer facing role so I fully accept that and am considering changing roles but staying with the company, however I logged into the HR system and there isn't a single part time or job share vacancy, not one, in any role. That doesn't seem right does it? (there are lots of full time ones).

Pilgit Mon 09-Sep-13 21:56:01

This is depressingly familiar. I also work for a big company. The London office has this issue. Part time or flexible is seen in terms of what the company loses not what it gains in terms of loyalty or commitment they receive from the worker. Use your contacts. Remind them what you bring to the party. Personally I think it's bs that you can't do your old job part time but then I like to think outside the normal modus operandi.

GingerDoodle Mon 09-Sep-13 21:43:06

I work / worked for a large London university as a senior PA. I know p/t and job share can work; I know several who do it however they turned down my request to return after maternity leave.

I was willing to be flexible or days / hours and to work from home but they still were not interested.

It would cost me more than I earn to return full time, I explained this, so I do resent the fact that my years of service mean so little. Hey ho.

theoriginalandbestrookie Mon 09-Sep-13 15:52:21

Yup I work for a huge company that prides itself on being family friendly, no p/t roles offered, so it's massively ironic that this is the case. I negotiated my p/t working hours when I came back from mat leave.

There is a job share register though.

Emsmaman Mon 09-Sep-13 15:48:18

Treacle I think its because of unskilled jobs with irregular hours eg zero hours retail contracts. In which case there is underemployment of many people. Agree that in my experience there are very few professional/office based part time jobs.

treaclesoda Mon 09-Sep-13 13:48:59

I think its interesting that I keep hearing in the media, when talking about the economy, that x number of jobs are being created, but that they are often part time, when that is in stark contast to what many people who actually want part time work find to be the case. I heard it again today on the news at lunchtime, that there is a lack of full time jobs, there are too many part time vacancies.

Platinumstart Mon 09-Sep-13 13:31:58

In my experience jobs are never advertised as part time - i have however always applied for FT jobs and then negotiated part time once offered job. FWIW I have a senior client facing role in professional services. When I negotiated my current position I know my emoloyers were concerned worried the sky would fall if a client couldnt get an immediate response but I asked them to trial it and said I would go FT if the role demanded it.

I then wowed them with my talent whilst making it clear I was not interested in a FT role wink

I think it's an attitude issue. There is absolutely no reason why the vast majority of jobs cannot be done part time

ShadowSummer Mon 09-Sep-13 13:17:20

HR not advertising part time / job share vacancies doesn't necessarily mean that your company will only employ full time workers.

IME (at least in the company I work for), along with other previous posters, part time / job share workers tend to be people who've started out full time and then subsequently applied for part time hours under flexible working requests or people who've applied for full time jobs and then negotiated part time hours as part of the recruitment process.

Thurlow Mon 09-Sep-13 13:01:29

Public and private sector are probably quite different. I know my private sector company, and those my friends work in, don't have p/t roles as that means paying two lots of NI, benefits etc. Yes, it's a far less supportive decision but it's the way it is at the moment.

sashh Mon 09-Sep-13 12:54:52

Any business is well within their rights to say that it doesn't suit their business to have a particular role or employee part-time. I believe they are obligated to accept the request and consider it, but by no means do they have to grant it.

20 years ago I worked for an NHS hospital (before the days of trusts) that had a policy that all jobs could be part time/job share, including consulting doctors.

They picked up a lot of very well trained staff who left neighboring hospitals after maternity leave as their jobs were 'full time only'.

I can't think of a single job where you have to be full time and not job share.

Thurlow Mon 09-Sep-13 11:25:39

Part-time jobs are the ideal for a lot of parents. But the thing is, they make very little commercial sense to most companies. I don't think it's remotely surprising. Without incentives from the government, it's loads cheaper for them to hire 1 person than 2 or 3. In fact that I think it is completely unsurprising. (And I say that as someone who would contemplate selling a minor body part to get a p/t commercial job).

Pigsmummy Sun 08-Sep-13 22:51:42

Back to work tommorow. Genuinely still surprised by complete absence of part time jobs.

Pigsmummy Thu 05-Sep-13 14:12:24

Compressed hours not an option due to customer facing.

I am returning to a new manager, new team and currently an undefined role, my customers have been given to other people, I have no idea who my customers will be and my new boss said that I might be looking after some customers in a new sector. I am not confident that my boss will help me get a role outside of his area, which it would have to be if part time as it will leave him with a vacancy and customers needing ownership half way through a financial year?!

HR just seemed to be keen to get a date from me to return, when I questioned my role/manager change they just referred me to my new manager. HR is outsourced and not in UK. I will approach my allocated person in HR about part time although not hopeful.

I wonder if I might need to network and find a willing person to job share with then find a role?! Could that be a good start? There must be people in the same boat as me? Although might that cost my employer more? (2x benefits)

craftycottontail Thu 05-Sep-13 13:41:41

is compressed hours an option for you, OP? I'm going to be doing 34 hours over 4 days instead of 35 in 5 days which means my work is only losing an hour of my time which they're happy with. might be worth considering if you like your job.

MinesAPintOfTea Thu 05-Sep-13 13:32:46

They advertise for the person they want (as long as its within equality legislation limits) at the price they are willing to pay. You can still apply and put a case that it could be a part time role if you want, how likely you are to succeed depends on how much they want you in that role and what the competition is like.

Thurlow Thu 05-Sep-13 13:28:11

Any business is well within their rights to say that it doesn't suit their business to have a particular role or employee part-time. I believe they are obligated to accept the request and consider it, but by no means do they have to grant it. It will, after all, cost them money to hire or train someone else to do the job the other half of the time, which is where most companies will reject a p/t application.

In this current climate, unless a role genuinely only requires 20 hours a week work, no one is going to offer p/t working. And there aren't many role that require 20 hours work. Most companies are going to create a role that is 40 hours work, even if that means amalgamating two roles. It's cheaper to employ 1 employee than 2.

It's the same in my firm - the only people working p/t are those who got the hours years ago.

treaclesoda Thu 05-Sep-13 13:23:02

I think part time work is rarely advertised at all, either in internal vacancies within companies, or on job websites. Its once in a blue moon that I ever see something advertised as part time. All the people I know who work part time have either already been in the job full time and have been able to negotiate part time hours, or they have applied for a full time job and then when offered have said 'actually, would you consider part time?'.

turkeyboots Thu 05-Sep-13 13:21:34

As with others only full time vacancies advertised here, but there is always scope for asking manager of post to consider a part time role. So having an excellent track record and great relationship with your current manager is vital. Our HR was beyond useless at helping though and I got lucky in that my previous and current bosses are good friends so current boss more likely to take a chance on me.

Kirrin Thu 05-Sep-13 13:19:46

I applied for a full time job and then negotiated part time hours when I was offered it.

With regards to flexible working requests, employers are only obliged to consider it, not grant it. There are many roles that really dont work part time.

TallulahBetty Thu 05-Sep-13 13:18:41

You ARE entitled to apply for flexible working. They do not have to say yes.

flowery Thu 05-Sep-13 13:15:04

"I was of the belief you are entitled to flexible working if you have dependants. I think they have to find you a role of the same level if your job is not suitable."

Yes very wrong on both counts I'm afraid. They have to consider a request to change an existing role, but can refuse as long as they give one of 8 business reasons. They certainly don't have to find other jobs for people whose roles cannot be accommodated part time.

sparechange Thu 05-Sep-13 13:11:37

You are wrong on just about every level there!
Sadly, there is a bit of a myth out there now about employment rights after returning from maternity leave.
There are unfortunately too many threads on here from people returning to work and assuming what they've heard is correct about being able to insist on part time or flexible hours - although that isn't what OP is posting about here

picniclady Thu 05-Sep-13 13:02:39

I work for a large company, they rarely advertise part-time. After mat leave I applied for part-time but said I'd be happy to take any role at the same level as part-time(I was aware my full time role wouldn't work on reduced hours).

They accommodated my request and gave me three days a week :-) if you are flexible on role, you may get it?

Chrysanthemum5 Thu 05-Sep-13 12:54:01

I work for a large university, roles are never advertised as part-time, however you can apply and request part-time. Is it worth discussing this with HR?

deXavia Thu 05-Sep-13 12:11:57

I would use your contacts more than the HR system. As said many jobs will be advertised as FT but may be negotiable for the right person (ie proven track record on delivering) If you've worked for them a while you should know the 'type' of jobs - role, grade, location - that are currently done part time or job share. Do any of these appeal? Are you qualified (over-qualified?)? Use that to help figure out who to approach about either 'official jobs'on the HR tool or potential role not yet on the system

ilovesooty Thu 05-Sep-13 12:10:55

You're entitled to apply for part time work if you have young children but the company does not have to grant it. My company accommodates it but it doesn't work well in my project and the operations director is known not to like it.

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