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If I order coffee with hot milk, aibu not to want

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PasswordProtected Sun 01-Sep-13 07:23:37

half a mug full of "foam"? That is lukewarm at best?
And was I being even more unreasonable to spoon the offending foam out of the mug and onto the saucer?

kali110 Mon 02-Sep-13 10:48:36

Really think its because all the coffee shops do their drinks differently. I worked in one for ten years and was always explaining the different types of drinks for people to say thats not how blahblah do them

berrycake Mon 02-Sep-13 05:25:38

I'm a barista, and trust me, I prefer it if customers just explain exactly what kind of drink they are looking for in layman's terms, rather than guessing off the menu and then bringing the drink back numerous times. I totally understand that all the Italian names of coffees are confusing if you're not 'in the know'.

SmallTorch Mon 02-Sep-13 03:08:46

I asked for an espresso with hot milk on holiday, and got two drinks. The hot milk had a sprinkle of chocolate on top, and a straw! smile

ZingWantsCake Mon 02-Sep-13 03:02:31

when it comes to coffee I'm like Sheldon Cooper PHD.
no one can get it right so number one reason for never buying one!

so maybe YABU for expecting it to be just right?

but YANBU if they got it wrong.
here, try this brew it's just the way you like it!wink
I also have cake

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Mon 02-Sep-13 02:04:22

Does anyone know if Starbucks & Costa have changed their coffee beans/processes lately?

I used to quite like them - but lately they seem to taste really weird, a bit 'chemically'?

It is hard to get a good coffee. I get a latte (most come as a double shot now), scorchingly hot with only 2/3 of the milk they'd usually use.

The success of that request varies.

M&S seem to think tepid is 'very hot' hmm

Nothing you get in the UK compares with - Flat whites in NZ, Cafe con leche in Spain & Cafe au lait in France. I'm home, home & home sick now sad whilst actually living in my country of birth confused

I need coffee, sleep & TRAVEL!

CocktailSausage Mon 02-Sep-13 00:46:06

Latte = One shot of coffee topped with slightly frothy milk top. More milky in flavour.

Flat white = Double shot of coffee topped with a tight foamed milk top. Not frothy.

White Americano = Double shot of coffee plus hot water and hot milk.

Well this is what I was taught when I worked in hospitality.

Montybojangles Mon 02-Sep-13 00:43:30

Now I'm craving a flat white...

kali110 Mon 02-Sep-13 00:17:34

Think a lot of the problems is that different coffee shops do drinks differently, ie starbucks macchiato is big when everywherelse its shot of coffee with small layer of foam. Havent the foggiest wtf starbucks but in theirs....

HopeForTheBest Sun 01-Sep-13 21:30:11

I'm surprised you can't get a normal Milchkaffee, most places I know do it and there's never any foam in sight.
I love Milchkaffee; it makes such a nice change to all those bloody cappucinos.

kali110 Sun 01-Sep-13 20:55:58

I share your pain op when you ask for a drink and dont get what you want. I like frothy drinks and hate when i get bloody flat milky ones

kali110 Sun 01-Sep-13 19:45:02

Flat white isn't frothed milk, its heated so it has bit of air in to give it a creamy texture.
If op doesnt want a milky drink then no an espresso in a big cup with milk is a weaker latte!
If you want normal coffee with milk just ask for an americano or filter with milk on the side.
If you want strong but milk based coffee then flat white is very nice, however it does depend where you order as some iv had have been very frothy, lucky i quite like froth!

Glitterspy Sun 01-Sep-13 19:18:36

A flat white is a milky coffee made with frothed milk - tiny bubbles give it a sort of silky texture.

What you want is, if we're using the antiodean names, a long black with hot milk. Aka an Americano with hot milk! Or just ask for a "regular coffee with hot milk, NOT foamy" surely that will get your message across!

PasswordProtected Sun 01-Sep-13 19:17:32

Hmm, so the concensus appears to be that ordinary ground & brewed coffe with hot milk doesn't exist anymore. You can either have highly-charged espresso or hot milk-heavy coffee.
IMHO espresso diluted with hot water does not taste the same as black coffee.

ILikeBirds Sun 01-Sep-13 17:00:19

Flat white is still hot milk over espresso, it's not just coffee with milk. Less milk to coffee than a latte, not sure on the finer details beyond that

PasswordProtected Sun 01-Sep-13 16:34:36

that is very helpful, thank you. I will use those definitions to compare to what is available where I am.

LRDMaguliYaPomochTebeSRaboti Sun 01-Sep-13 16:27:45

This annoys me.

Ten years ago, maybe even five, if you went into a normal cafe (not a chain), 'coffee with hot milk' would get you a filter coffee with a little jug of hot milk.

If you wanted a latte/whatever you'd ask for it!

InTheFace Sun 01-Sep-13 16:22:59

I think:

Espresso = tiny cup, black, one or more shots

Macchiato = espresso with a splash of milk, tiny cup

Coffee = ground beans, filtered/brewed/percolated, with (flat white) or without milk. Normal coffee cup.

Americano = espresso shot with hot water added. Can add milk. Normal coffee cup.

Cappucino = espresso shot plus frothed up milk. Normal coffee cup, half froth.

Latte = espresso shot in hot milk. No froth. Normal coffee cup.

Tea= drink of the Gods.

ananikifo Sun 01-Sep-13 16:07:06

Password I have no advice but lots of sympathy. Normal coffee with milk is all I ever want.

PasswordProtected Sun 01-Sep-13 14:23:34

Yes, ananikifo, that us exactly what I want!
I am also willing to bet that if I asked for a cappuchino I would get almost the same.

ananikifo Sun 01-Sep-13 12:48:55

It sounds like OP wants brewed coffee with hot milk. Not all coffee is espresso, and I wouldn't want a large cup of espresso.

caroldecker Sun 01-Sep-13 12:38:03

But an americano has hot water added to the espresso - what you want in an espresso in a large cup and a jug of hot milk

kali110 Sun 01-Sep-13 12:17:38

Frothers can make flat-non frothy milk you just have to know how to use them. In some places normal black coffee is either an americano or filter.

insancerre Sun 01-Sep-13 11:54:45

so what is the difference between a latte and a flat white then?
cos in my local cafe they both look and taste exactly the same
I hate frothy coffee, so ask for a flat white- i had them in new zealand and they were just what i wanted but in this country a flat white just seems to be the same as a latte
if i want a coffee with no froth then I ask for an americano with milk
I do miss old style coffee that was just coffee and milk, none of this foam stuff

Lweji Sun 01-Sep-13 11:52:09

I cannot take something back if I am sitting in the breakfast room.


You can ask for a different one, if it is the breakfast room, surely.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sun 01-Sep-13 11:48:23

So a normal coffee is an Americano? I never realised just ordering a coffee was so difficult. I'm sure if I went to the local cafe down the road (greasy spoon, it's great) and asked for a coffee I'd get a normal coffee. Except I wouldn't as I drink tea.

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