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To hear that they have charged rolf harris

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londonrach Thu 29-Aug-13 12:53:06

Was a massive fan of rolf harris in the 1980s watching his art shows after school. I cant believe he has now been charged with activity from the 1980 to last year. Am i being unreasonable to be upset on hearing this news despite the fact ive never meet him.

MsFanackerPants Fri 30-Aug-13 17:03:53

I hardly imagine that there will be a queue of women lining up to claim they were abused when they in fact were not. Allegations of historic abuse are notoriously hard to bring to court and many women who have been abused feel shame and hide it. To state otherwise buys into the belief that women lie about abuse for gain and so cannot be trusted.

EldritchCleavage Fri 30-Aug-13 13:43:28

Agree Shelly- there has been no trial as yet.

ShellyBoobs Fri 30-Aug-13 13:29:20

I think it was last year, a member of a band I used to like when I was younger was convicted of some truly horrible things involving babies

Are you sure that this trial has happened?

It's just there's a case due to be heard in November which involves the lead singer of a well known UK rock band and the abuse of a baby. The person I'm referring to has been held in custody for quite some time.

There wasn't another similar case last year was there?

prettybird Fri 30-Aug-13 12:53:57

Whatever the verdict of the trial, this is sad for everyone concerned sad Sad for the girls involved, sad for the public to whom Rolf Harris has given pleasure to over the years, sad for Rolf (if found innocent), sad for his family....

Re the pictures that were "made" last year, I hope it doesn't turn out to be something like this case where a grandfather was accused of having child pornography when it turned out it was innocent pictures of his own grandchildren playing in the back garden on a hot day (which he hadn't been able to recognise due to the lascivious way in which they were described to him - and the CPS hadn't even been given copies when they made the initial decision to prosecute, only the written description from the police) hmm

AmberLeaf Fri 30-Aug-13 11:13:17

At some point this whole thing is going to turn bad as all sorts of people get on the bandwagon

Turn bad?

Oh yes what a fun bandwagon to get on eh.

Cookethenook Fri 30-Aug-13 10:46:55

Yanbu. It's horrible to think about.

I think it was last year, a member of a band I used to like when I was younger was convicted of some truly horrible things involving babies. It makes me feel physically sick to think that I bought their albums, went to their gigs and admired them. I was really quite distressed for a while after I heard, to think that I'd basically supported this guy while he was doing these disgusting and cruel things.

MiaowTheCat Fri 30-Aug-13 10:40:53

And I see the great internet jury already have him tried and convicted. That always saddens me. I shall remain firmly sat on the fence until he goes to trial and the proper mechanism and not some internet vigilantes delivers its verdict.

But don't let legal process get in the way of a good trial by media huh? It always disgusts me.

Goldenhandshake Fri 30-Aug-13 10:38:43

I agree with whoever pointed out that sexual predators look like everyone else, normal, run of the mill every day people. The commenst about him 'looking like a nice man' are ridiculous.

My family learnt this to our detriment when we found my cousins daughter had been groomed and abused by a family friends husband, a successful, handsome, utterly charming man who turned out to be a sick and depraved monster.

They really do come in all shapes and sizes and because of this I do not trust any man who isn't her father, 100% to be alone with my DD.

valiumredhead Fri 30-Aug-13 09:56:51

Sparkly-quite! A fair trial at this point is going through the motions, they will have very strong evidence.

Awomansworth Fri 30-Aug-13 08:14:42

Sadly I believe this is just the latest name of many more to come.

It does make you wonder how many more from this era are sat at home waiting for the knock on the door.

Sparklysilversequins Fri 30-Aug-13 08:04:45

CPS don't tend to take cases to court unless they feel they are likely to lead to a conviction. They must have some pretty strong evidence.

lotsofdogshere Fri 30-Aug-13 08:00:53

Sexual harassment at work and socially was less hidden in the 50's, 60's an 70's than it is now. Most sex offenders look like everybody else, unlike JS, they are often married, with children and so appear "normal". It's a great way to hide in full site. This thread confirms how hard it is for people to believe that someone they "know", even if it's only via the TV, can abuse children. There will be a trial, but to have been charged the CPS must believe it's in the public interest and that there is a high probability the evidence is strong enough to convict him.

biryani Fri 30-Aug-13 07:46:22

He's been charged, not tried. Perhaps best to reserve judgement till he's actually convicted?

Lazyjaney Fri 30-Aug-13 07:32:26

I would never disbelieve a person who has found the courage to report this type of crime

At some point this whole thing is going to turn bad as all sorts of people get on the bandwagon.

however i believe in innocent before guilty

That is a very good approach IMO.

Mimishimi Fri 30-Aug-13 02:16:25

Well, I'm Aussie and I always felt there was something a bit weird about him (saw him in concert as a kid) but I couldn't put my finger on what it was. He shouldn't get trial by media though because false accusations do happen.

AmberLeaf Fri 30-Aug-13 02:11:31

you are SO right about it being a different era and what went with it. But you will NEVER convince most of the MNs of that. They didn't live then, so it didn't happen/was the same as today. It wasn't

Yeah an era of young girls and women not being believed and being blamed for the things men did to them.

Its changed somewhat now, but clearly those stupid mindsets remain for some.

Also there are plenty of MNers who were alive back then, do you think we are all 21?

SamHamwidge Fri 30-Aug-13 01:17:25

He painted a big emu and kangaroo when he visited my former primary school in 1979. It hung in the assembly hall for years. sad

McNewPants2013 Fri 30-Aug-13 00:44:54

Threads like this twist my mind ( not because of posters comments)

I would never disbelieve a person who has found the courage to report this type of crime.

however i believe in innocent before guilty.


ShellyBoobs Fri 30-Aug-13 00:35:03

I am finding it hard to believe that they would charge him without being 100% sure.

If they were 100% sure, there'd be no need for a trial.

Do you think everyone who is charged with offences is guilty?

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 30-Aug-13 00:13:35

And agree with the right to a fair trial. I will assume innocent until proved guilty too.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Fri 30-Aug-13 00:12:08

I am saddened. I have a signed postcard from him and loved him performing at Glastonbury sad

HeffalumpTheFlump Thu 29-Aug-13 23:48:03

"Having completed our review, we have concluded that there is sufficient evidence and it is in the public interest for Mr Harris to be charged."

^This statement was released today. This is what makes people assume he is guilty. I will admit I am finding it hard to believe that they would charge him without being 100% sure. It's too high profile to go to court on a whim surely? (Sorry to mnhq if I'm not allowed to say this, I'm a bit unclear on what would or wouldn't prejudice a fair trial.)

Lumpybumpymuma Thu 29-Aug-13 23:42:32

Yanbu OP, 'two little boys' was one of my fave songs.

And now I'm a bit confused and shock.

sewingandcakes Thu 29-Aug-13 23:32:58

Notalone I remember watching that exact terrible video when I was a child, and the irony of him making a children's sex abuse educational video at a time when he is alleged to have been abusing children is staggering. Not surprisingly it's no longer available on YouTube.

MoominsYonisAreScary Thu 29-Aug-13 23:26:48

Ken Barlow? How did I miss that!

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