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to be bloody pissed off that the CSA...

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fanjangolo Wed 28-Aug-13 21:31:36

take child tax credits from one set of children living with the Non resident parent, to give to their other child regardless of the resident parents income.

Child Tax Credits are given to lift children out of poverty and then the CSA take them, shoving them back into poverty - even if the child they are giving this money to lives in a wealthy household.

Wereonourway Wed 28-Aug-13 22:37:06

But they do exist, as does the money.

If you had a child from your 'fling' and the fella had other kids would you be happy about him having some untouchable cash that YOUR child had to do without.

I doubt it

dandydorset Wed 28-Aug-13 22:37:06

this has angered me,yes im angry with men that father children then run for the hills when money or contact is raised

yes im one thats been told by the csa that my dc's father until last month took home £500 a week but has jacked his job in as he refused to pay and as soon as they went for earning attachments so now pays £5 a week,havent seen that yet either

and silly me never bothered chasing for maintanance for 5 yrs,more fool me

OptimisticPessimist Wed 28-Aug-13 22:38:15

I do agree that including the child tax credit portion is a bit off but your DH will be getting a reduction in his maintenance for all the resident children you have, so it probably evens out quite a bit. Personally I don't think there should be a reduction either <shrug>

118sbigmoustache Wed 28-Aug-13 22:39:05

Couldn't you have avoided this completely by having the child tax credits in your name?

mynewpassion Wed 28-Aug-13 22:39:26

This other child is his too. So this child needs to be lifted out of poverty from your husband' s end.

BrokenSunglasses Wed 28-Aug-13 22:39:39

The child tax credits wouldn't be there if you and your DH didn't need to claim them either.

If he earned enough your DH would still have to pay the same amount to his other child. It makes no difference whether your DH earns his money or takes it off the state.

I don't think having a fling makes him a tosser. I think having sex without a condom when he already had children that he wasn't able to provide for without benefits makes him a tosser.

fanjangolo Wed 28-Aug-13 22:39:55

Untouchable cash given to him for his resident childrens nappies, milk, clothes, shoes, school uniform? Why on earth would i take that money from those children to give to my own child whom I can claim my own Child tax credits for. bonkers.

Dandy I'm sorry your dc's father is avoiding payment, but my DH is not. He is happy to give the child their share of his income. But he and I are not happy about child tax credits being taken.

Wereonourway Wed 28-Aug-13 22:40:22

118- not if they live together as a couple, has to be joint claim

118sbigmoustache Wed 28-Aug-13 22:41:46

Ah, I see were. I think I got confused with child benefit blush

fanjangolo Wed 28-Aug-13 22:42:02

118 they insist on DH being joint claimant, these are the rules as we are residing together.

dandydorset Wed 28-Aug-13 22:42:12

no im not a feminist,far from it

and how does my comment make me one?????

does it make me a feminist because i think he should support his child,no it does not but im tired of people disregarding children when it suits,

does he see his child from the fling????

Wereonourway Wed 28-Aug-13 22:42:56

So if the CSA said "ok mrs fanjan, from now on you will be entitled to x amount a week, its reduced has has three kids already"

"Oh it's ok mr CSA I don't want the bit that's from child tax credits"

iloveweetos Wed 28-Aug-13 22:43:37

I agree with comments up thread. If you can't afford kids put a condom on at the very least! We're lucky to have tax credits in this country so chill out and stop acting so entitled.

Wereonourway Wed 28-Aug-13 22:44:00

Which by the way could be pennies or a fortune, we don't know!

fanjangolo Wed 28-Aug-13 22:44:23

Optimistic, I don't understand why they reduce the income taken into account from his wage based on his resident children, then take a portion of the child tax credits given for the resident children. It seems daft. Surely it makes more sense just to leave it as is. Don't reduce and don't take CTC.

BrokenSunglasses Wed 28-Aug-13 22:44:39

It's not untouchable though is it?

Why on earth would i take that money from those children to give to my own child whom I can claim my own Child tax credits for

You would never be in a position to take money away from children to give to your own. No mother is. It doesn't happen like that.

AnitaManeater Wed 28-Aug-13 22:44:48

it's utter bollocks isn't it.

So many inconsistencies. Child maintenance is not counted as income for tax credit / housing benefit purposes but tax credits are counted as income for child maintenance / housing benefit claims.

I don't receive any maintenance at the moment but when I do, I find it bizarre that I can keep that portion of the household income and ring fence it as its money intended for my son. I couldn't do it with my child tax credits though, even though they are paid for my son and my two youngest - how can some other set of children make a claim on money that is paid and intended for the benefit of another?

ImpulsePineapple Wed 28-Aug-13 22:45:19

Oh gosh leaves

118sbigmoustache Wed 28-Aug-13 22:46:46

Isn't that because child maintenance can be sporadic? So they'd always be reassessing if that was counted.

fanjangolo Wed 28-Aug-13 22:46:50

Dandy she never wanted him involved with the child, she is now with someone whom she actually wants to officially adopt the child. My DH cannot afford to take her to court for visitation, we did start solicitor letters etc but legal aid has now stopped. He is very upset and looking into representing himself in court, the CAB are currently giving him advice on this.

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 28-Aug-13 22:48:41

There are several bits of income the csa do not take into account.

Tax credits are means testable for every single income related thing you do they always have been,why should the csa be any different

BrokenSunglasses Wed 28-Aug-13 22:49:00

Surely it makes more sense just to leave it as is. Don't reduce and don't take CTC.

Not for the child that doesn't get to live with their Father or have much in the way of financial support it doesn't.

And lets face it, it won't be much support if its reliant on a low wage wage and working tax credits. Even adding a tiny amount of child tax credit money on to it, it doesn't really start to reflect what it actually costs to bring up a child, does it?

fanjangolo Wed 28-Aug-13 22:49:11

Actually he got laid off and went into his low-wage job after conceiving his other child. The two men I had flings with didn't wish to use condoms when I informed them I was taking oral contraception either. No man ever has in my experience actually. I guess they are all evil bastards.

118sbigmoustache Wed 28-Aug-13 22:50:55

What about STDs?!

BrokenSunglasses Wed 28-Aug-13 22:51:31

Lots of them are, yes. And women let them get away with it, because they have child tax credits to fall back on.

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