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to think everyone who opposes abortion in Ireland should read this?

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skylerwhite Wed 31-Jul-13 19:06:37

I had tears in my eyes reading this heart-rending story. This is a man writing about the experience he and his wife had when they were told that their much-wanted pregnancy was 'incompatible with life' due to a fatal foetal abnormality, and the grief and pain they went through as a result of having to travel to England to terminate the pregnancy.

And the bill which was just signed into law won't make a blind bit of difference to women in similar awful situations. Those with money will travel; those without are just left to put up with it. It's so frustrating and so upsetting, it makes me so fucking ANGRY.

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 09:10:30

Lucy, I can sympathise, not empathise, because I haven't experienced what they have.

I'm not sure how medication could keep a baby with anencephaly alive for any length of time. I know that they will die (usually within a few days). My question is do you think a doctor should be allowed to kill babies that have been born with life limiting conditions and/or may be in pain?

BabyMakesMyEyesGoSleepy Sat 03-Aug-13 09:44:03

There was a lady I knew a few years ago whose ds was stillborn. When out and about people would enquire to how her baby was and the pain and heartbreak as she explained her ds was stillborn is forever etched in my mind. Its barbaric and cruel to force women to give birth to a baby that will not live and its short hours/days will be filled with pain.

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 13:57:11

Do sorry to hear about your friend's baby Sleepy. sad I think it must be very hard for anyone who loses a baby at a later stage either through stillbirth, late miscarriage, FFA etc to deal with the questions from people who knew you were pregnant but don't know the outcome.

I'm just wondering what your views are about babies being born with life limiting conditions who may be in pain. Should doctors be allowed to kill them?

skylerwhite Sat 03-Aug-13 14:55:48

We were talking about anencephaly and abortion in the case of fatal foetal abnormalities, why do we need to bring 12 year old pregnant rape victims into the discussion?

It's ironic, bumbley, that you were objecting upthread to people bringing up what you determined as irrelevant issues (12 year old pregnant rape victims). Yet here you are talking about killing babies with life-limiting conditions. Why?

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 16:23:55

Skyler "Are you trying to dictate what people can discuss on this thread?"

skylerwhite Sat 03-Aug-13 16:34:52

I don't have a problem with people bringing up other issues, bumbley. You did earlier - when it was an issue you disagreed with/felt uncomfortable with - yet rather hypocritically, you are now doing the same thing. confused

wunderbar1 Sat 03-Aug-13 16:53:02

Wonderful modern opinions - support Abortion, then wonder why-oh-why marriage and family life (and civilisation itself) are breaking down, why boys are growing up rapists, porn-addicts or sexually confused. If you want the Sexual Revolution, you've got to put up with the consequences.

skylerwhite Sat 03-Aug-13 16:57:19

Oh dear.

Bruthastortoise Sat 03-Aug-13 17:01:37

Well the UK abortion act was passed in the 1960s wunderbar so you're about 50 years too late to consider the thought that woman have a right to choose what's happens to their bodies as a modern opinion.

skylerwhite Sat 03-Aug-13 17:03:32

There are rapists and porn-addicts in Ireland as well, wunderbar, where abortion is not permitted. How do you explain that?

I can't comment on 'sexually confused' boys, as I don't know what you mean by that. confused

Bruthastortoise Sat 03-Aug-13 17:06:40

I wasn't sure about that either skyler, you'd think given they're all porn addicts that there wouldn't be much about sex that confuses them smile

Really shouldn't rise to it...

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 17:09:11

Not at all skyler, I asked why they always come up on abortion threads. In any case, the question I am asking is relevant. Some people (and I realise that you don't fall into this category) do actually consider the foetus to be a live baby so would find it comparable to thinking it is ok to take the life of a baby born with a life limiting/painful condition. I was wondering what other people's thoughts on that were. It's not really euthanasia because you are making the decision on another person's behalf.

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 17:10:31

Brutha, it's whether she has the right to determine what happens to another's body that is the issue in abortion.

skylerwhite Sat 03-Aug-13 18:46:33

Are there any circumstances in which you think abortion is justifiable, bumbley? Just wondering.

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 19:02:32

You know that already skyler, from the other thread.

skylerwhite Sat 03-Aug-13 19:02:58

Sorry, I can't remember. Genuine question.

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 19:25:42

Yes, if the woman's life is at risk. Although I think the foetus' life should be preserved wherever possible.

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 19:26:42

Although, as I said earlier, I do struggle with FFA. sad

skylerwhite Sat 03-Aug-13 19:26:50

So not in the circumstances referred to in the OP then?

bumbleymummy Sat 03-Aug-13 19:29:37

Think we xposted

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