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Free school meals and summer holidays

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McNewPants2013 Fri 19-Jul-13 20:51:00

I was thinking about this today.

I will have an extra £10 per week dude to not paying for school meals, but if people are entitled to FSM I can see many families struggling to provide these extra meals at home.

Do you think that school canteens should open or the parents get extra money to cover the shortfall.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 16:25:53

In NI they would be under the attendance officer attached to the education and library board for that area.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 16:25:53

In NI they would be under the attendance officer attached to the education and library board for that area.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 16:19:36

Exactly. It could be done. Im sure there were many objections raised when FSMs were first suggested. And i'll bet there were real logistical issues that had to be ironed out but that the same with anything new. Trial and error til you get it right. It could work. You just need to get the right people to support it.

MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 16:18:05

I guess there would still be children that are 'underground' and hungry. I know if families at the school that my children attend that can't even bother to get up to take their children to school in term time and their attendance rate is very low. I'm assuming (hoping) they're under SS radar if the head is aware of it.

MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 16:16:10

Im I agree, it could be done. Large vats of soup can be made for next to nothing. As long as its food, I don't think even variety would matter during the holidays. Just the fact that they are fed.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 16:11:58

Just to be clear my sons scheme didnt offer a meal- just a snack of biscuit or toast and juice but i could easily see how it could work with a meal instead. Yes more costs of staff, food etc but worth it i think and i would happily volunteer to clean, supervise, wash dishes, whatever. I know others couldnt for various reasons, just saying i would, i know we are lucky to have what we do here

MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 16:08:25

Totally agree with everything you're saying Im

That sounds like a great scheme I'm - a two hour mid-day session with lunch included. The play and social aspect, and the support to the family from other adults would be great too.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 16:05:15

Btw- i dont know if surestart still do this but a few years ago in my area they ran a 6 week cooking skills course. Obviously not all areas fall within surestart zones though.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 16:03:54

Yes that was my point mm. Those who choose the fags over food wouldnt attend courses which is why there needs to be free meals anyway with the course as an additional source of support for those that want it.

I think those that are feeding poorly but just about adequately might go and learn a lot, but agree that maybe those whose children are actually going hungry may need other - more direct ? - support.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 16:02:10

I dont actually think it is problematic if it had proper govt support. Yes there would be issues to overcome and work round but these kids manage to get to school every week day, if schools were running a 2 hour summer scheme like the one my ds attended ( free place because he gets FSM) and offered a hot meal whilst there ( or option to take your own lunch for dcs who werent on FSM) then it wouldnt be long before those fsm children were getting their hot meal through the summer months.

MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 15:58:42

I didn't say for a minute that healthy cooking workshops should replace FSM.
But seriously, if these workshops were provided would the parents that are actually allowing their children to go hungry in the first place(parents that choose fags over food, not all parents on benefits I want to make clear)actually turn up for those workshops. I sincerely doubt it! sad

MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 15:56:16

Im which is why I said up thread that the food needs to get directly to their stomachs, how to do that during school holidays is problematic.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 15:54:53

To be clear- i dont think worshops are better alternative yo free meals- j think they should be in addition to free meals.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 15:53:27

There are still the ones that will sell the rod and the kids wont eat. No matter how much you do to get people self sufficient in terms of managing money etc, there will always be people who dont make sure their dcs get fed and those dcs need, no deserve to be fed. There will always be a need for free school meals.

I agree classes/ workshops are a way forward aslong as they arent replacing the fsm that already exist. They will always be needed

alemci Sat 20-Jul-13 15:51:45

ok Jaz dalek but at least that would be one solution.

MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 15:48:18


MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 15:48:04

Here's an example of a health soup that feeds four for 10p a serving:

MinimalistMommi Sat 20-Jul-13 15:47:20

Im I don't object to free meals for hungry children.
But isn't it better to teach the main provider how to cook healthy meals on very tight budget?

Why keep handing out fish when you can supply a rod and they can fish for themselves springs to mind?

I do think more practical parenting classes talking about getting through the summer holidays on a budget, and good, nutritious, easy and cheap ways to feed a family would be good and helpful - run during last weeks of term in schools during school hours ?

JazzDalek Sat 20-Jul-13 15:46:12

I should add that the limit of three vouchers per person is not in any way a judgment, it is purely due to the fact that demand is high and food banks don't have the necessary resources to help as much as is needed.

JazzDalek Sat 20-Jul-13 15:44:26

Alemci: no, but the parents could use a food bank.

This is not a solution. I cannot speak for other areas, but where we are you can't just turn up to a food bank, you have to get a voucher, available from the CAB and a few other organisations.
At the CAB we can only give out a total of three to any individual. When you've had three you can't get another. Each voucher provides 2-3 days' worth of food.
The very fact of somebody needing a food voucher is seen as evidence of a fault in the system, and as such for each one given out we are required to write a report on the circumstances which led to that person being in such need; these reports are collated nationally.

ImNotBloody14 Sat 20-Jul-13 15:43:27

I find it really interesting that people object to free meals for hungry children but happily dole out suggestions of free therapy, free cookery lessons etc for the parents! Why is free food not ok but free other stuff that costs more than the food and doesnt guarantee the kids get fed is ok? Logic anyone? confused

Yeh, so maybe they did miss sex ed classes MM. And ?
As crashdoll says their children still need feeding.

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