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AIBU in thinking that anyone who had ever actually given birth would never let an 11 year old make the decision to give birth?

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MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps Wed 10-Jul-13 17:10:45

And that if an 11 year old can't make the decision to have consensual sex she can't possibly understand the complexities of pregnancy and labor? Especially as doctors have said it could kill her?

If you haven't heard of this it's one of the most upsetting stories I have ever read in a long while.

CailinDana Wed 10-Jul-13 17:16:11

What's the alternative? Forced abortion?

mynameisslimshady Wed 10-Jul-13 17:17:15

The poor child sad thats disgusting especially with her mothers comments too.

The only options are for her to have the baby or be forced into an abortion against her will, which is also unthinkable.

A hidious situation all round. I hope, whatever haens she gets all the help and suport she needs,

mynameisslimshady Wed 10-Jul-13 17:17:34


lolaflores Wed 10-Jul-13 17:20:25

Physically she is not ready to go through labour surely? Who the fuck is having sex with an 11 year old? It could have killed her?

CarpeVinum Wed 10-Jul-13 17:20:51

Some people would. I'm not one of them. But I don't think the line in the sand over who would prioritise the unborn child and who would prioritise the born (and pregnant) one is split on "I have given birth" lines.

Pleanty of men who will never give birth would not fall on the side of "take the pregnancy to term" in an 11 year old. Pleanty of women who have not yet, and may never, give birth likewise.

Others who has make tiny humans with their very own bodies, would still see it through a God Lens and vote for a live birth.

CloudsAndTrees Wed 10-Jul-13 17:21:32

Awful story. But if she wants to have the baby she is carrying then forcing an abortion on her would probably be as bad as being raped in her mind.

I don't think there's anything else that can reasonably be done.

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps Wed 10-Jul-13 17:22:05

An abortion pill could have been administered yes, but more importantly she should have been counseled towards choosing one. She isn't being there because they are so vehemently anti abortion.

However If my 11 year old was risking death and said she wasn't going to take her medicine I'd make sure she took it.

In 20 years time she can look back at having been give an abortion and knowing that she didn't choose it (and have no guilt over it) or she can be in charge of a baby that she thinks (in her own words) will be a doll despite being the child of the man who raped her

ZZZenagain Wed 10-Jul-13 17:22:21

the poor child. If she was raped repeatedly for 2 years then she was only 9 when that started. How awful her mother claiming this was a consentual relatonship.

I hope the girl does not have to continue living with her mother since it was the mother's partner who fathered the child and the mohter claiming the girl had consented to this is really horrible.

If she doesn't want an abortion, to force it on her on top of everything else she has been through would be cruel but I agree she is far too Young to have to go through labour. I suppose a caesarian would not be available to her either in Chile unless paid for privately.

CarpeVinum Wed 10-Jul-13 17:22:46

Her mother shocked Chileans recently when she defended him saying his relationship was consensual.

That poor child. Raped by her stepfather, and her mother defends him.

CailinDana Wed 10-Jul-13 17:23:12

I'd imagine she'd have to be carefully monitored and maybe delivered early by c-section. I agree it's a terrible situation but forcing her to have an abortion would not make things any better.

AuntieStella Wed 10-Jul-13 17:23:39

I don't think anyone should be forced into an abortion they do not want. Even underage girls who have been raped.

But she will need a huge amount of support and something (and I have no idea what) done to protect her from her abusive family.

Putting her situation into the headlines strikes me as further abuse.

ZZZenagain Wed 10-Jul-13 17:23:53

I wonder if there are any adults advising her outside of her direct family members?

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps Wed 10-Jul-13 17:23:55

Her mother's boyfriend raped her for 2 years. Her mother claims it was "consensual". Its safe to say she hasnt got the best interests of her daughter in mind

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps Wed 10-Jul-13 17:26:10

My feeling is she can't possibly comprehend what birth is like. Or more likely a Cesarian, (i'm sure one will be offered) as she is making world news. I also doubt she will be allowed to "raise" her baby. Has that been expained to her?

CailinDana Wed 10-Jul-13 17:26:24

The mother is as bad as the rapist and should also be charged imo.

CarpeVinum Wed 10-Jul-13 17:27:39

If she doesn't want an abortion, to force it on her on top of everything else she has been through would be cruel

Given where she is, and how much interest an anti abortion leaning gov. has taken in her condition given that they don't want their hand forced over relaxing the current legislation in the face of a public outcry, I am not all that convinced that we can take reports of her wanting to keep the baby as being the result of pure free choice without undue pressure being brought to bear.

SirBoobAlot Wed 10-Jul-13 17:28:33

She doesn't have an alternative. Which is the most disgusting thing.

The president's comments are vile, and her 'mother' is a repulsive human being.

Jan49 Wed 10-Jul-13 17:33:42

Horrible. I think a child in those circumstances should have an abortion. But if she doesn't want one and wants to go ahead with the pregnancy, what would you do? I don't know.

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps Wed 10-Jul-13 17:35:59

times like this my atheism doesn't cut it. I really want the mother and boy friend to rot in hell

MammaTJ Wed 10-Jul-13 17:41:05

That poor girl! Her mother is defending him saying she consented. Her grandmother had to be the one to press for charges to made against him. At least she has one adult on her side in all this, even though, imo, they are still makign the wrong decision. But like others have said, the alternative is forced abortion.

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps Wed 10-Jul-13 17:42:38

if it had been explained that she could die and had labor explained to her a long with understanding that fetus is not a baby yet would she be wanting baby Jan? she has got a choice anyway they're just happy she's saying she wants it.

am currently feeling ill and shit with pregnancy and dreading 3rd trimester. she doesn't even know what's going to hit her sad

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps Wed 10-Jul-13 17:47:45

it is forced but she isn't an adult. Choice is for adults. we regularly force our children to do what's good for them.

healthy food
dental visits.

McNewPants2013 Wed 10-Jul-13 17:48:22

It's a difficult one.

I will never agree to forced abortions, but this is a child pregnant and putting her in grave danger.

I really don't know what to think.

MortifiedAdams Wed 10-Jul-13 17:52:44

If she isnt enotionally mature enough to know whether she is ready for sex, how on earth is she emotionally mature enough to know she wants to be pregnant, go through labour, and be a mother?

Terrifying situation for her to be put in, her mother and the step father are utter utter bastards.

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