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The daughter I knew is dead - what a thing say!

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Animation Sat 22-Jun-13 14:39:59

Can't help but think that the mother's words and attitude to her daughter, and apparently they don't speak, could be as damaging as Jeremy Forrest's behaviour towards her.
Am I unreasonable in thinking this??

Lazyjaney Tue 25-Jun-13 07:15:05

"According to recent figures by the NSPCC 1 in every 3 girls will be exposed to some sort of sexual abuse."

I just don't believe it. Oddly enough that number goes up every time a self serving charity re-looks at it.

I'd be interested to see what they define as abuse as well.

THERhubarb Tue 25-Jun-13 08:55:11

Lazyjaney of course you don't believe it. Of course these figures are just plucked out of the air by charities to serve their own purposes, I mean it's not like they'll be asked to produce evidence of those stats is it?

The NSPCC stats, studies, research and other figures including the sources, how many children were involved in the studies, what kind of abuse they are talking about, etc. Some of the figures are recorded crime figures like this one:

17,186 sexual crimes were recorded in England and Wales in 2011/2012 against children under 16. That does not include Scotland and of course these are just the crimes reported. I suppose those figures are made up too?

Do you want a break down of what kind of sexual abuse that constituted? Here you go:

4,991 offences of rape of a female child under 16

889 offences of rape of a male child under 16

3,986 offences of sexual assault on a female child under 13

1,010 offences of sexual assault on a male child under 13

5,779 offences of sexual activity involving a child under 16

160 offences of abuse of children through prostitution and pornography

371 offences of sexual grooming.

1 in 3 teenage girls are subjected to sexual abuse by their boyfriends

Other figures show that 1 in 3 reported rapes is against a child under the age of 16.
48% of young men don't think it's rape to have sex with a girl too drunk to give consent and more than 67% would carry on having sex with a girl even if she was crying.

Those figures are from studies which are published by the NSPCC here and which discuss the law, what the role the NSPCC plays, future projects and the impact of things like pornography on relationships.

Of course Lazyjaney I don't expect you to accept any of these figures or the studies which have been done. Many people would prefer to bury their heads in the sand than admit that there is a huge problem. Most hope it will just go away of its own accord and they resent charities like the NSPCC for highlighting these issues, even accusing the charities of making up the research in order to gain more funding - even though the research has been documented and witnessed and is backed up by official crime records.

It's this flat denial which puts young girls in danger because who can they turn to? Who will believe them? No wonder 34% of children abused by an adult don't tell anyone.

noddyholder Tue 25-Jun-13 08:57:18

Lazey Rhubarb is right look at her posts they are full of teh information you need to make you and others like you 'believe'. Amongst my closest friend I can't think of one of us who hasn't had an inappropriate sexual advance at least once in our lives and several of us younger than 16

THERhubarb Tue 25-Jun-13 09:03:16

One thing worth highlighting is that those official crime figures are just the crimes recorded IN ONE YEAR.

And yes LazyJaney you would be right when you say that those figures seem to rise. That's because they are rising. Whether that is through more children willing to report or because there are just more cases of sexual abuse we'll never know, but the sexual exploitation of children is prevalent, in this society and elsewhere.

I'd love to know how you can argue with clear cut figures like those.

noddyholder Tue 25-Jun-13 09:05:52

And I would love to know WHy you want to argue against them?sad

LittlePeaPod Wed 26-Jun-13 15:28:40


I just don't believe it. Oddly enough that number goes up every time a self serving charity re-looks at it.

Have you considered that may be to do with the fact more children have more/better access to getting help/support?

I'd be interested to see what they define as abuse as well.

I would be interested in hearing what your definition of abuse is? What do you define as abuse LazyJaney?

Then people wonder why children are afraid to report the abuse when you have adults doubting what defines child abuse and slating charities set up to help these children..

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