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To think that the offer I just made on this house was not to be snorted at derisively

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LaurieFairyCake Wed 12-Jun-13 17:16:59

I am rapidly going off estate agents hmm

House is on at 289, only one house in a row of about 300 houses has gone over the stamp duty threshold and it sold at 270 last year - it was a 4 bed detached, now it would be worth according to Zoopla 284.

I've offered 249999 on a 2 bed detached. On a busy road. That's been on 4 months. With 20 steep stairs up from the road to the front door thus putting off people with young children and the elderly (its a bungalow). And we have a very short chain as our buyer has cash.

Is that er..... snortable ? grin

Kleptronic Mon 17-Jun-13 23:00:33

Well I am desperate to view a house and would probably offer the asking price but four phone calls to the estate agent haven't secured me a viewing. I am livid and I hate estate agents. Anyone know if I can complain about that? Surely it's false advertising?

lessonsintightropes Mon 17-Jun-13 22:44:32

Would be very interested to hear about the outcome. We're also in a SDLT hole in SE London - 2 bed maisonettes with gardens here, close to good primaries went for 210 - 220 a couple of years ago and we were kicking ourselves a little bit for going at full asking price on the place we bought (but love, and have no intention of moving from for a few years). I always thought the area was underpriced given transport links, and a new leisure centre is just being built (with some discussion of a new cinema soon). First property on the street advertised above SDLT levels has just gone on... for 280. It's nice, but it's certainly not worth 60 more than we paid for (a much larger property with loft conversion) 2 years ago. I suspect prices here will remain artificially low-ish for another couple of years before the jump... another reason why we're happy to stay.

LaurieFairyCake Sun 16-Jun-13 15:42:27

I told the estate agent everything I said. He put it to the vendor who came back immediately and rejected it.

Turns out the estate agent agreed with me about the price! His agency is somewhat tied in to the price because they're the second agency to market it - it went multi agency after the initial 12 weeks.

The agent agreed the vendor may have to come down or not sell eventually.

We've been looking since the rejection and there is still nothing out there. We are considering moving area but it would mean me changing my whole life and driving and picking up from school.

Guess we're sort of waiting to see if something else comes on this weekend - or bungalow man decides he wants to sell.

We've left our offer on the table. And my fingers are crossed.

mycatlikestwiglets Sun 16-Jun-13 15:26:07

Zoopla's sold prices aren't always accurate either- they think I paid £100k more for my house than I actually did hmm

trixymalixy Sun 16-Jun-13 12:38:10

Zoopla's estimated prices are utter rubbish. I nearly had a heart attack when I saw the estimated price for our neighbour's house. Zoopla estimated it at £800k, it's currently on the market for £300k.

Just out of interest, I filled in the bit that allows the owner to affect the estimated price by putting something crazy in for our house. Two days later the crazy price appeared as the estimated price hmm

SplitHeadGirl Sun 16-Jun-13 12:02:48

My husband and I just put in an offer of £130,000 for a beautiful terraced show house in a development, which was priced at £180,000. It had been on the market for three years!! (it is in a very rural location with lots of detached homes with lots of land around them also on sale at competitive prices so I think that's why it didn't sell).

Just waiting to hear.

25catsnameSam Sun 16-Jun-13 11:54:18

The EA is bound to put the offer forward unless the vendor has clearly issued him with instructions not to put forward offers less than £x.
^^ this is the law, and it is timebound so they should have put your offer to the vendor by now. Hold tight, just say that's your best offer, keep it open but keep looking.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 16-Jun-13 11:47:27

My mum had a house on the market some years ago for 329,000. After nearly 2 years she got an offer of £240,000 and accepted it straight away.

I was a bit hmm but she just wanted to go.

claudedebussy Sun 16-Jun-13 11:19:07

that ea is an idiot.

and i'd wonder whether he's passed the offer on. sounds a reasonable offer to me.

digerd Sun 16-Jun-13 11:14:42

In my area a detached 3-bed house had an asking price for £13.000 LESS than my 2 bed- semi bungalow < backing a canal with trees and fields beyond, in a cul-de-sace of just 8 bungalows - prime lovely location smile. Bungalow was much older and in need of some repair.

Bungalows are at a premium as not many around. Only managed to get them down £150 for the repairs that were obvious and I was paying cash as had sold and moved out < after moving in there were other repairs needed that Surveyor had not noticedconfused>. That was in 1998 and still here.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sun 16-Jun-13 11:11:11

Laurie, did you tell the EA the basis of your offer eg the market data?

inabeautifulplace Sun 16-Jun-13 10:54:14

Remember also that negotiating on a house is the most lucrative activity most of us are likely to do in our entire lives. As an example, I earned £1000 a MINUTE during my negotiating. Ok, there was research involved, but not loads.

You absolutely must focus on the fact that your negotiating efforts now are worth months or even years of toil in the workplace, particularly if mortgages are involved. The numbers involved means its easy to disconnect them from normal life. Talk of not upsetting an old man is mind boggling; think how upset you'd be on discovering you had to work an extra 3 years before retirement.

VodkaJelly Sun 16-Jun-13 00:40:59

My parents have just sold their house and accepted an offer of £30 grand less than the value price.

they are cash buyers and have found a new house to buy. They let the estate agent who they are selling with put the offers in for the new house (at £20 grand less). My parents didnt want to go that low as the seller is a nice man and the estate agent nearly tore them a new one!

She very rightly said that it is a business and they are thinking with their hearts. The low offer was rejected and they have climbed and settled on a price everyone is happy with. If they hadnt have let their estate agent negociate for them they would have paid £5 grand more.

Please do not worry about the nice old man who owns the house, this is a business deal and you need to be ruthless.

WhiteBirdBlueSky Sun 16-Jun-13 00:39:51

Zoopla is way out for about 60% of houses I'd say.

MaryKatharine Sun 16-Jun-13 00:27:24

Oh and yanbu. If its rejected just leave it on the table for 3wks. They will start to get jittery as it gets close to you withdrawing the offer.

MaryKatharine Sun 16-Jun-13 00:25:40

We bought at the end of 2009 when the market was on its arse. There was a house on at 690 which was in a complete mess so we offered 610. EA was disgusted and told us so and also that if we were going to be making such ridiculous offers then they didn't want to waste time showing us properties! Well, how I laughed when that house eventually sold a whole year later for 545! It makes me cross that they give people such unrealistic expectations, especially elderly people who have had no dealings with the market for 30years!

Pickle131 Sun 16-Jun-13 00:13:42

Would he have snorted if you had rounded up to 250,000? SDLT only goes up above this, his snort may have been also because you didn't know that. That said, I had an EA point this out to me in a much more polite way!

OhDearNigel Sun 16-Jun-13 00:12:26

The 4 bed may have needed complete modernisation, a new roof, new wiring, central heating, bathrooms. It may have had subsidence, dry rot or all manner of other serious problems.

Our house is up for sale at the moment, someone offered £20k less than teh asking price because a house in the same row had been sold very cheaply last year. He saw it on fucking Zoopla. Of course, what Zoopla didn't say was that the house was full of woodworm, has a collapsing chimney, wooden windows that are falling apart, cramped and tiny rooms, a kicked-in front door, original 1890s plumbing, needs a new roof and is generally in a terrible state of repair. Whereas ours has a £3k bathroom, has been knocked out and rebuilt completely, brand new windows, central heating, wiring, flooring, everything.

Casserole Sat 15-Jun-13 21:10:33

Did you get it?

IgnatiusSprat Sat 15-Jun-13 20:42:06

YANBU - nothing ventured nothing gained. Our house was on for £280,000 which was waaaaaaaaaay over our price range. It's a 4 bed detatched and we'd been looking at 2/3 bed mid terraces. We came to look round it because my friend is an Estate Agent and kept telling me I'd 'love' it. I did indeed but nearly fainted at the price. She convinced us to put an offer in of.... £228,000 and we fucking got it! We've been here two years now and it hasn't fallen down or anything so I'm not sure why the seller plumped for us, but she did, and if my friend hadn't talked me into it we'd never be here. So there you are, not every low offer is a silly offer...

Elquota Sat 15-Jun-13 20:34:06

YANBU. They're getting enough commission to be polite to potential customers.

ZillionChocolate Sat 15-Jun-13 09:08:54

I think ideally Balloon slayer you should follow it up by telling the liars how much commission they've lost out on and why!

BalloonSlayer Thu 13-Jun-13 16:10:38

"I've certainly picked the best agent when houses have been listed with two."

Me too.

We looked at a house in our village, really liked it, made an offer, then found that someone else had already made one which ad only been provisionally accepted because their chain was not complete (neither was ours.) The EA had made no mention of this and we had asked. Presumably they wanted us to race for the prize, something I would not have been prepared to do. The other people's chain completed the next day anyway. I never forgave the EA for letting me get all excited about a house and making plans when someone else was poised to buy it.

They had been sending us details of another house. So had another agent. Eventually it dawned on me that we should look at it. Which agent did I call? The one who had sent us the details of the house first, and who had the best description and pictures? Uh-uh. We went with the one who had not lied to us. And bought the house through them and they got the commission. Ha! grin

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Thu 13-Jun-13 14:09:45


noblegiraffe Thu 13-Jun-13 13:15:40

We bought our house at the stamp duty limit, refused to go any higher and they came back and accepted.

We just found out that some people we know offered 30k more than us a few months before and were rejected!

The owners must have been well pissed off. Might explain why they removed the toilet roll holder from the wall when they left!

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