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does feminism play a part in every thing.

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McNewPants2013 Wed 05-Jun-13 21:10:46

I agree with feminism, and I thank all those women who have fought for the same rights as a male.

But does feminism play a part in everything in life.

LRDtheFeministDragon Wed 05-Jun-13 21:13:21

For me, yes, I think so. But that's personal. It doesn't for lots of people and that's their business.

Smudging Wed 05-Jun-13 21:13:54

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McNewPants2013 Wed 05-Jun-13 21:25:00

just on the top of my head.

things like premiership football, where male do get alot of media attention.

squeakytoy Wed 05-Jun-13 21:25:16

"I would love to know an area in life in which equal rights shouldn't be an issue."

maternity for a start..

motherinferior Wed 05-Jun-13 21:26:07

Er...that would be a yes, really.

McNewPants2013 Wed 05-Jun-13 21:27:16

squeakytoy, good example.

Lazyjaney Wed 05-Jun-13 21:36:53

Ah, but which feminism...the various factions seem to spend so much time fighting each other afaics.

IMO in most areas equality works but some where there are real differences (eg maternity) there is no point carrying on as if there are none.

PlentyOfPubeGardens Wed 05-Jun-13 21:41:10

I think everything in life can be examined from a feminist perspective, so yes.

I don't think feminism is as simple as 'equal rights', as squeakytoy's example of maternity demonstrates - or rather, 'equal' doesn't necessarily mean 'the same'.

Feminism is very relevant to maternity because it's women who bear the children and the way society is set up at the moment, that prevents us from being equal. It doesn't have to be that way. We could change society so that those who bear children (or are potential bearers of children) are not at a disadvantage.

ElephantsAndMiasmas Wed 05-Jun-13 21:41:34

I don't think about feminism all the time (obviously smile) but I think it's possible to apply feminism to everything and ask how things are measuring up. For example if you're watching the news, how long can you go before hearing about anything a woman has done?

greenbananas Wed 05-Jun-13 21:42:23

Yes, in the same way that `politics` plays a part in everything. Everything is political, and everything has a bearing on how women function in this society.

But `feminism` means different things to different people.

McNewPants2013 Wed 05-Jun-13 21:45:08

I think maternity is a difficult on with feminism.

I would hate to have had the same matenity/paternity rights as men.

YoniBottsBumgina Wed 05-Jun-13 21:47:04

Yes, to me it does. Premiership football is an issue (to use your example) because womens' sports aren't given anywhere near as much coverage, because the coverage of sports is male-dominated, and there seems to be an abundance of scantily clad women when really there is no need for that (although the US is very much worse in this respect and we don't tend to have half-naked women on football oriented TV programmes).

VinegarDrinker Wed 05-Jun-13 21:47:34

" Yes, in the same way that `politics` plays a part in everything. Everything is political, and everything has a bearing on how women function in this society."

Agree with this 100%

marjproops Wed 05-Jun-13 21:52:40

male nannys?

McNewPants2013 Wed 05-Jun-13 21:55:47

I see nothing wrong with male nanny's, MW or any other 'women' based jobs.

snooter Wed 05-Jun-13 21:59:16

Men & women are not the same which is, I think, a good thing. I see no reason why men & women cannot do the same jobs, assuming they are intellectually & physically suited to so do.

My only concern is that men & women in the same job & on the same grade do not always get the same pay & conditions. This is entirely wrong.

WilsonFrickett Wed 05-Jun-13 22:00:36

It's not about maternity rights being reduced to match men as they currently stand though. It's recognising that time off after having a baby could be equally split between men and women, or men could take the lions share of the time off (once the woman has recovered from the birth of course).

IMO feminism absolutely plays a part in most things.

marjproops Wed 05-Jun-13 22:02:49

okay what about the women tennis players who want equal pay yet not prepared to equal PLAY?

theyre not prepared for 5 set matches yet want the same money as the men? That's unfair to the men.

Macenroe and Rusedtski said that and got flamed for being sexist yet if they asked, say, Serena or Azarenka would they say theyd play a 5 setter then?

or mixed singles?

WilsonFrickett Wed 05-Jun-13 22:03:10

parental leave, rather than maternal or paternal leave. More choice, more equality - not less.

bigkidsdidit Wed 05-Jun-13 22:07:48

For me it is in everything, yes. I don't think about it all day, but it informs all my decisions

The example of maternity is a common misunderstanding. Men and women aren't the same, but should be equal.
So obviously women give birth and breastfeed and men don't. But we should put things in place - like rooms for expressing at work, to give a small example - where the fct that women want to bf doesn't ruin their career.

greenbananas Wed 05-Jun-13 22:07:57

`recognising that time off after having a baby could be equally split....`

What about breastfeeding?

This whole thing is complicated.

bigkidsdidit Wed 05-Jun-13 22:09:11

Sorry, that post tailed off and made no sense at the end, DH walked in with chips grin

Itsjustafleshwound Wed 05-Jun-13 22:13:58

For me, Feminism is not so much equal rights as the elimination of discrimination and consideration that there may be a different and valid other way ...

And yes, it affects all aspects of life.

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