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to think I am never going to get back into teaching because of things I have no control over

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kim147 Fri 24-May-13 12:08:49

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AllegraLilac Fri 24-May-13 12:12:11

I graduate in a month, and get to become an unemployed person. Like you, I've had rejection after rejection for a year of looking for work.

You can only do your best in this awful economy. Chin up, can't take rejection personally. I'd never get out of bed if I did.

CalicoRose Fri 24-May-13 12:15:24

Fingers crossed for you.

All schools need a balance of experienced teachers and NQTs so there will be some schools that need experienced teachers at the moment....

Teaching is so hard in that most of the jobs come up over a very short period of time.

Good luck. I hope the right school for you is advertised tomorrow...

AllYoursBabooshka Fri 24-May-13 12:20:12

Don't give up! I have read many of your threads and you sound like you really have your head screwed on.

We need more teachers like you out there. smile

kim147 Fri 24-May-13 12:20:33

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lborolass Fri 24-May-13 12:23:40

Will the changes to the way teachers are paid make things easier for you if you can afford to take a job at a lower salary.

My teacher friends tell me that they think this could be an opportunity for teachers returning to teaching

80sbabe Fri 24-May-13 12:23:59

Don't lose heart, I'm a school governor and last year we appointed experienced teachers to two positions even though there was a wealth of NQT applications.
One of our new teachers had 20+ years experience so was quite an expensive acquisition.
However as a governing body we were tired of NQTs staying a year or two and of us constantly going through the recruiting process. We had 8 NQTs in 6 years all in the same year group and it was unsettling for parents, pupils and the school.
It's meant that we've had to budget very carefully and some plans for cosmetic developments have been shelved, but we felt the long term benefit to the school was worth it.
Hang in there, don't give up I'm sure there are other schools like ours around.

GoblinGranny Fri 24-May-13 12:24:10

Baby boom on its way, TAs being cut left and right...the future looks hopeful for teaching jobs. Maybe?

IamMrsElf Fri 24-May-13 13:34:44

That is really tough. I am so sorry that you are having such a tough time. Teaching can be a tricky profession to get back into. Have you been doing supply for the age group you specialise in?

AlanMoore Fri 24-May-13 13:37:28

Kim what age/subject do you teach? Is there much market for tutoring in it? I know it's not the same but it might help you hear of other opportunities, maybe in private schools or these weird corporate academies that set their own pay & conditions?

I think we live in the same city and I like the cut of your jib so I hope you end up teaching my kids!

IamMrsElf Fri 24-May-13 13:41:21

If it helps, I left teaching to do an admin job for a year or so and then managed to get a teaching job. The compromise was that it was a very tough school. I have now left teaching again to have DCs but hope to go back when they're bigger. DH is an Assistant Head and has interviewed lots of people for different roles, not all schools are looking for cheap NQTs they want good strong teachers with a proven track record so they can maintain current standards - especially with Ofsted on the war path for so many schools. The right opportunity will come up.

kim147 Fri 24-May-13 13:43:13

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IamMrsElf Fri 24-May-13 14:03:15

Supply and tutoring mean that you have been keeping your hand in, so you are up to date.

You haven't messed it up. You will get a job. Have you asked at any of the schools where you do supply about any job prospects?

When I got back into teaching, I applied for a teaching post that I didn't have experience for and they created a job for me around the experience I did have. Have you tried applying outside your usual comfort zone?

AlanMoore Fri 24-May-13 14:05:35

It is shite. I'm trying to go back to my profession and it is not easy at all. Have you got a plan b? I've felt better since I came up with a good one though plan a is going ok now...

kim147 Fri 24-May-13 14:07:07

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IamMrsElf Fri 24-May-13 14:10:48

Secondary schools are desperate for maths teachers - don't be afraid - go for it. Secondary teaching is great. Don't be put off. I taught secondary and I loved it.

There is nothing to lose, you should definitely apply and see what comes of it, it might just be the career move you were looking for.

CremeEggThief Fri 24-May-13 14:13:27

thanks. Three rejections in a week is really tough, but three interviews in a week is brilliant going. Easy for me to say, but it's an something to be proud of. I'm not even being short-listed for T.A. jobs, after just over a year out of work as a teacher.

ProphetOfDoom Fri 24-May-13 14:15:22

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GoblinGranny Fri 24-May-13 14:18:16

So your CV and covering letter are good enough to get you the interviews, which is impressive in itself.
What feed back are you getting about why they didn't choose you?
You are entitled to ask for 1:1 feedback, rather than the generic 'Oh you were all so good and it was almost impossible to choose...'

musicposy Fri 24-May-13 14:26:55

Can you do supply teaching in secondary maths so you get the experience? Or just volunteer on a local school on any free days so you can build up a reference? I do wonder if this is a way to go as generally maths teachers are in shorter supply.

I did primary training and would absolutely love to teach secondary maths or music but don't have the time to make the effort to go into it right now. But I may well try in the future. I think it would get less terrifying by doing it! I currently teach piano and keyboard in a secondary (maths and music being my two things) and really love it. The kids are sometimes difficult (it's a very deprived area and the lessons are highly subsidised so it's not just the keen bright rich kids doing it) but generally they are totally amazing and ever so funny. I taught at infant level for years and although they were very sweet I do like this better.

I'd try to get the maths experience in school. But don't give up! My first teaching job I had been rejected over and over and then I landed a job for September not long before the summer holidays (which is unusual because of the notice period but the do occasionally come up). I do think getting back in now would be hard as I am top of the payscale. But I think you have to just persevere and persevere and bear in mind that it isn't you - it's more about the system.

pinkdelight Fri 24-May-13 14:41:18

I second goblingranny's post. If you're getting (lots of) interviews, then it's unlikely to be your career history that is the issue here, so stop beating yourself up about past choices that you cannot change. They like you enough to call you in. In this latest example you said you were cut after the teaching exercise. Can you get some really clear feedback on your performance, as presumably there was something there - maybe only something small, but significant enough to choose the others over you? Then that is something you can work on and feel less powerless.

fairylightsinthespring Fri 24-May-13 15:22:43

kim, get yourself into a secondary for some observation and maybe team teaching. This time of year is a good one as the lower school classes are winding down so you won't be interrupting exam prep. secondary is not as terrifying as everyone thinks, especially for a subject like maths. Best of luck

kim147 Fri 24-May-13 21:22:32

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Thatssofunny Fri 24-May-13 22:13:45

A school near us is looking for a primary trained teacher for their Year 7 and 8 nurture groups (mostly teaching core subjects and then supporting teachers of other subjects). This might be a way, if you'd like to go into secondary.

If you want to stay in primary, you might want to look for things that include phase or KS leadership. Schools don't generally want NQTs for that. If you are up for a challenge, schools with "notice to improve" or in special measure might also be an opportunity (they don't usually want NQTs, either).

Good luck! (Took me several years to switch primary schools.)

frogspoon Sat 25-May-13 09:40:14

Kim, please don't give up yet.

A little over a year ago, I left my teaching job, in the middle of term, with no job to go to. I was really unhappy so it was the right decision to go, but the circumstances made it especially difficult to get a new job. Like you, I have done a combination of private tuition and supply teaching and know how unreliable both can be.

Have you been on the TES Jobseekers forum? There is a forum expert called TheoGriff, who has given some fantastic advice to myself and other jobseekers. The community is very supportive, there are many other people in your position, and everyone is willing to share advice. There is also a series of blogs written by TheoGriff, with advice on job applications.

It is also possible to make an appointment to see TheoGriff or another educational consultant for career advice/ application guidance/ interview coaching, which is what I did a couple of months ago. After over a year of rejections, this week I finally got a new job to start in September! The appointment wasn't cheap, but seeing as I got a job on only my second interview after the appointment (after about 15 failed interviews) I believe it was worth the money.

Good luck, I'm sure you will get a job soon.

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